Saumaya

Pretty much, first comes distinction between self and other. Then we see how objects are related to each other. After that we create meaning through those relationships, then comes context, and then the stories. Enlightenment will be the permanent realisation that none of the stories are true. NONE.

Enlightenment is the unprogrammed state. It is the realisation everything is made up of stories. Enlightenment is just your natural state, if you make it an achievement, then yes, its just another story.

There is a difference between nothing matters and caring for things. You dont have to be enlightened to realise that.

Great insights

After enlightenment, ego is completely transcended. The ego becomes apparent and realised as something that is completely made up. There is no enlightenment after enlightenment, enlightenment is complete and permanent. A glimpse cannot be called enlightenment. So is there no ego after enlightenment? Not really Ego is there, but there is no identification with it. It is realised as something that is being made up and plays out by itself.

Same <3

I just got that haha

Np, I like naruto too. My pic is literally of sasuke!

Yh, you can say its more of a humanity problem than sadhguru problem. The problem is sadhguru contradicts himself and is vague about a lot of things, this encourages blind belief.

Yup, not a big fan of mutton. I like kadai chicken better :3

You should try indian food <3 @Martin123 Your pic is so kawai. Its from re zero right?

Its interesting that you say that. I think when people start sensing their illusory nature and start seeing that what they really want is freedom in the sense a reality where they are not identified with anything; Then only they are ready for enlightenment. They may realise this consciously or unconsciously, but the longing is there.

Actually its better not to pursue enlightenment if you arent ready for it. For most people who actually got enlightened, they never had any say, they were drawn to it.

You clearly didnt watch the video.

Yup, exactly

@Salvijus Nobody is immune to criticisms. If you really think sadhguru is so great, you will respond to the criticisms as you will know he has nothing to hide. I ve got a lot of good information out of sadhguru, and I think his intents are genuine, but I also think what a lot of he says is plain wrong. My point is proper criticism is very much needed in society as it only helps in progressing the individuals. The fact that you just defend sadhguru without even addressing the criticisms is not devotion but stupidity. Honestly you need more help if you say to someone to 'get a life'. Its the most immature thing to say to someone.

It seems like turquoise embraces Non duality completely while yellow kind of half asses it. Not sure though

I dont quite understand the difference between stage yellow and stage turquoise in Spiral dynamics. They seem the same to me. Can anyone explain?

Thanks for the input, Id definitely consider what you guys have said

Im not even surprised at this point. People make conclusions about enlightenment and judge whether other people are enlightened or not and then claim they are not enlightened themselves. What authority do you have then. Enlightenment is not ideal projection of a person, thats focusing outward. Outward doesn't matter as far as enlightenment is concerned. Enlightenment is something very specific. There is a difference between living life and getting enlightened. I hope more people would at least get this. This is the biggest initial trap.

Thats what I am figuring out myself. I have the enlightenment part handled and have acclimated enough to work on other things.

You too man. I like the rash approach, I personally wont do it because I dont see myself as a teacher and rather not give too much unsolicited advice. I recently got into spiral dynamics and your content interested me.

No worries. Looking forward to read more about stage turquoise on your journal. It seems I am in stage yellow. I can understand where the earlier stages come from but I dont resonate with them.

It wasnt directed at you dw It was this

It still amazes me that people question other peoples enlightenment while saying they are not enlightened themselves.