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@Faceless Id prefer the word being rather than Total Perception, but thats just semantics.

@Shin Not sure if this called being racist but, Japanese is much cooler than Chinese imho

@Faceless Can u define experience btw? I think believing in your perception would be experience

@Faceless I see...yeah sure

@Faceless You want to erase your memory? Realising that memories belong to no one is a good start

@Ether Nah

lol

I might learn how to be more patient from you. Thanks

@Nahm You're too lenient man lol

He wont get it..for him, that too is a logical claim

@Scholar How do you know its logical? That too is a logical claim. As I said Maya is believing in the dream. Not the dream itself.

Maya would be believing that the dream is real. Once you realise that the dream is not real, then there is no more illusion. Oh wait...that too is a logical claim

Yup...

Is that statement derived from logic? That too is a logical claim

How are you confused? That too is a logical claim

Reality doesn't stem from the mind, perception does. And if it does, that too is a logical claim.

@Scholar Forget Leo. Talk for yourself. It is a paradox, if that too is a logical claim, then that too is a paradox and so on...saying that it is a logical claim is also a logical claim.

@Scholar So what if Its a logical claim. Youre mental mastrubating. Logic can be relatively true not absolutely.

@Nahm Similar to platos cave allegory yes

@Scholar Logic can only describe the dream. Absolute can only be experienced. If u still dont get it. Absolute cannot be experienced in words. Read Platos cave allegory.

@Shanmugam Well said

@JustinS Mind becomes completely free of habitual patterns as I mentioned in the list. I still think there is growth possible after enlightenment, for example I constantly watch my behaviour for how to better respond in a situation and all that. Maybe I was a bit harsh or too blunt. Also beliefs about certain things can still be incorrect in a certain sense. You have to sort those out too. Because No belief is true, You're at a leisure to believe whatever you want but they could be relatively false. I wont feel much. If I am devoted to the person, I may cry for a while. Its all part of the dream anyway.

@playdoh No, there is no such rule. The only rule is to read at your own pace. The point is not checking the book off the list but understanding it and applying into your life. If the book isn't worth it, skim it.

@Key Elements I see..

@Key Elements Well if I am gonna eat ice cream, I am gonna get from somewhere decent. I usually like chocolate but I am experimenting with coconut and blueberry ice creams as they are a bit healthier. Usually a cook or my mother. I want to learn to cook myself sometime soon too. wbu?