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What do you think of other therapies like ACT? Very true

true @Key Elements Right

I see. Do you agree that we should help other people to see their better selves while giving advice rather than lecturing them? If so how can we do that with people who are close to us?

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@Key Elements Whats the alternative to that? In your opinion how do we help other people without lecturing them?

I see. Great point.

Is the quotation related to the topic? If so how?

I am not doing that, I am just suggesting to consider why one is pursuing enlightenment in the first place. Is it genuine desire or a neurotic escape.

Cant talk about personal development generally anywhere else

When did I say you said that? It was my statement not yours What is this conversation lol

I said I hope you know that, not you know that. This is laughable

When did I say that? You are the one who is assuming stuff OMG dude

When the fuck did I say you said that? Tha hell man

I have never commented on something like this. I dont know if you are making stuff up or not because every time I write something, you misinterpret it. I dont why are you endlessly defending spiritual systems. Enlightenment doesnt require diving deep into every school, just take what works. I hope you know that.

Relax dude lol No, unlearning beliefs not techniques The most useful piece of learning for the uses of life is to unlearn what is untrue. Antisthenes

I feel like knowledgable people in the spiritual sense are more problematic than unknowledgeable people as now they will have more things to unlearn.

I understand. I define Self Knowledge as realising our true nature. As the quote says, it is a means of Self Knowledge, not Self Knowledge itself. The problem arises when students learn the theories and practices without actually implementing them which just means they are now knowledgable idiots, not Self Realised. Thats what I am afraid of and that's why I don't like the word Self Knowledge altogether. Hope this clears up things from my end and leaves no misunderstandings.

Whats that?

Cool

Yup, unless all layers of self are removed. The gateless gate cannot be passed and No Self cannot become a living reality. Im not exactly familiar with all practices. I think zen's meditation techniques and koan contemplation can be helpful. Some koans are good. Vedantas self enquiry can be helpful if done properly Witnessing meditation by osho is good spiritual autolysis by jed meckenna I think yoga and psychedellics are good starting points but do not help further along the journey. I havent done them though so cant comment on them much. Ultimately it comes down to questioning ones beliefs, assumptions and life story and realising that consciousness is all there is.

kind of true, they only point to non duality. Non duality means to end duality within onself. Unless that is happening, its not true non duality, its just mugging up spiritual concepts and practices.

Unless the layers of self are melting away, no. Any practise that doesnt do that is not a valid practice.

Nah, but this is interesting. What practices do you think can actually help you reach enlightenment?

OK, lets bring it back to you, what is Non Duality to you?

What is the confusion?