Saumaya

@Shin Dont really get to ramble about these things in day to day life lol

Enlightenment is quite a paradigm shift and requires alot of investment so I'd say yes. But honestly I'd say no because enlightenment is your default nature because it's the Truth, that which exists. Truth is always there. So it's like you are playing a game and distracting yourself from your death. When you die only Truth is left. My honest question would really be, why do you want enlightenment exactly? If the answer is some kind of self-enchancement such as I want to become more conscious or something like that. Then I'd say be patient and wait when the time is right

This one's no biggy. It's like you labelling people as, well.."people" or "humans". You assume they are like "you". But "you" don't exist. The concept of "humans" is similar to "objects". "Objects" can't exist because the subject or "you" in the subject-object split doesn't exist. So yh.. anything which you label as "other" is actually a part of Nondual Truth. It's like everything is One or Nothing Exists. Something like that

Haha The paradox

@Conceptually-made Hey man, I'm studying psychology in college it's quite good honestly. Definitely recommend it. As far as economics go, I think, if I am not wrong that, mostly consumer behaviour and organisational behaviour are the areas where psychology and sociology would meet with commerce, so I guess you could try to incorporate those subjects. Wish you best of luck on making the call

@Highest Thanks!

@SoonHei There is no 'they', self cannot pass through gateless gate. There is no awareness, no god, no self, no reincarnation...nothing. Only Truth. Whatever truth is, it cannot change

Thats for any kind of relative truths, for example A person says money runs the world. Obviously this person has only grasped a partial truth. Absolute Truth doesn't work like that Absolute Truth never changes. If you realise it, its done. Whats more? " I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Absolute truth becomes apparent when you are not rich, or you are completely empty. Once there is no separation, there is only Oneness. Absolute truth cant be said like , Truth is love, or Truth is God. Because Truth is, nothing else. Its neither this or that Even insights like I am God, World is illusory are stepping stones. No self is only goal. If no self is realised not as a insight but as an objective, there will be no 'self' to create duality. NO more questions. There will only be truth. Even post enlightenment you will see, 'you' are making decisions but simultaneously you don't. Self is a construct, Truth is real. A construct is made up, thats all. Thats why whole business is quite silly Not knowing alone wont work. Not knowing is the base of inquiry. Inquiry is the most important. But without not knowing, inquiry is pointless.

@Speedscarlet In the enlightenment sense, its not possible. Non duality is the negation of duality, which reveals the truth. Truth never changes. Thats why its called Absolute Truth. There are no degrees of enlightenment, to say that would be to say there are degrees to Absolute Truth. I think passing away of the passing away is the highest stage of development. After that, as jed mckenna says, it only becomes about human adulthood, or being more better attuned to the world. But there could always be better way of articulating concepts that could lead to awakening, or anything really. But as far as debunking goes, Leo talks about Non Duality. So you one will not be debunking Leo, but really this sage from thousand years will be debunking Non duality; Which is not possible, because as I said, Truth never changes. It is possible however that degree of understanding and articulation will be much better for relative truths later on. Hell, it is a guarantee they will be.

Its not really that life is terrible. If someone has depression or anxiety, they should do therapy rather than pursue enlightenment. When your realise that your whole existence is false, its more like pursuing enlightenment becomes a must, not a should Read psychology and philosophy, it gives a good big picture of things. Other than that, meditation is aways a good starting practice. Disidentifying with thoughts and mindfullness.

I feel like stage coral would look something like passing away of the passing away. You are so attuned to reality, that you dont need to think about it anymore. You are just focused on daily life activities.

Itachi>everything

Forgiveness and acceptance always helps

The point is not to chase experiences, but become permanently self realised. Experiences come and go.

Nice, haven't heard such clarity of thought in a while