WaveInTheOcean

"mind is the self improvement" Nah. A mind is not self improvement. A mind can be improved though, and this we call self-improvement, yes. But all improvement is relative, though. Sure, you are a mind, and I am another mind. But the question is: What REALLY is a mind? Vingger. Go contemplate that. Don't tell me it's "self improvement" or "the difference between x and y". self=mind, right. But what really is a self, a mind? Hint: It's a hoax. A game. A play. But happy playing, after all we're all playing.

Everything written on this forum is expressions of the one self. Everything read on thi forum is read by the one self. Goes for all forums. Goes for all spoken and heard words as well.

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Hey! Chill out mate. What you had there sounds like a semi-ego-death experience. The illusion (the ego/'that which you ordinarily experience yourself to be') wasn't fully killed, only stabbed a little by a sharp knife. After that you had/still have an existential crisis. That is to say, your ego got bothered by a taste of truth. Why bothered? Because the truth is that there really is no ego to be found! The ego is a hoax! And the ego doen't like that, initially, because it still *FEELS* it's a real thing (and thus the actual, real you -- which is a no-thing -- also feels that, who/what else could feel it but you? ) BUT! There is no "you" (ego) to be found anywhere! "You" don't exist as a separated individualized person - that's a hallucination fabricated by the mind/brain, which in turn is fabricated by 'the real you' (= consciousness/nothingness). "It is a truth that there would be 'no one' to experience the bad stuff but it is also true that there would be 'no one' to experience any joy in life" Of course there IS someone to experience all the bad and good stuff in life! And that's you! The 'no one' IS YOU! It is the fundamental nature of reality and it IS you! The real you! And you know this very well! Only you currently won't acknowledge it, but will seemingly rather choose to believe that you are an ego (=a person/soul) inside af a bag of skin (the body). Listen to this music to calm you down: And here are some words of wisdom from Alan Watts cherry-picked for you:

This tracks is 14 min long. Breathtaking composition. Takes you on a journey. Just close your eyes.

Have respect for the substance. Don't jump from 120 to 300. 200 next time seems fine, but don't be surprised if 200 ug feels much stronger.

Your writings seem to indicate that you on a deep level believe that there actually exist a person/ego/mind ...? "even if it feels real to the one that is not real." Feels real to the real that is not real? ... Personality / ego / -being a seperated self capable of gettin hurt- feels real to that which IS real (= Awareness, you, me, everything, nothing), while truly the ego is not real: It's no-where to be found, it's a concept. Even the body is a concept, it doesn't exist either. That which doesn't exist can't be you. You do exist, but not as anything your mind can imagine or logically comprehend. You exist as self-aware nothingness, and even THAT is a concept. "nothingness" is a concept. "self-aware" is a concept. Everything we speak of on this forum is concept, concept, concept. It's ALL relative. It's not absolute/eternal. "The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao". !! "Indulge me in the following: How can one that is not the body/mind take a pill designed for the body/mind and be affected in any way." No one took any pill. None took the LSD. You assume something that is not the body/mind is actually capable of taking a pill? If we say that "someone" is taking "a pill" then we are speaking relatively. There is no pill. There is no human being to take the pill. There is no body/mind to be affected. There is only you to perceive the game of life. In this game of life interesting experiences can happens when a body takes LSD. The body or mind is not affected by it though. The only one that is affected by it is YOU! And at the same time you are not affected by it at all. Reality is a paradox. You are both deeply affected by all experience you experience and at the same time not affected at all by any experience. "The one typing is the Ego that feels it was enhanced because of the experience of no Ego - this is paradoxical." There is no ego typing anywhere. There is no ego that could be enchanced or not enchanced. Relatively speaking, yes, the good guy jjer94 here wrote a post here about his LSD-experience. You can say it is the ego typing, sure, but it's just relatively speaking, there is really no ego if we speak in terms of absolute truth. "Does the Ego's pain or unhappiness even matter? It matters only to the Ego itself" There is no owner of any pain or unhappiness or happiness. There is experience of pain, there is experience of unhappiness, there is expierence of anxiety, there is experience of love. That which experiences all these things is 'The Absolute Self'/Nothingness/Awareness/blabla , it's not the ego, because there is no ego! Therefore it can't matter to any ego! It can only matter to the Absolute Self. In truth it doesn't matter at all to the Absolute Self, and yet at the same time it matters a lot to the Absolute Self, because who/what else could it possibly matter to? When you feel pain and unhappiness it surely doesn't feel nice, so of course it matters (and yet it doesn't). It's all a dream. Within the dream everything matters, at least as long as you're not aware of the fact that it's a dream. When you realize it's a dream you see that nothing matters inside the dream... However, to follow along with the dream analogy, if all you did was dreaming (you never woke up), and there was nothing else besides the dream, then the dream must matter in itself. Cos there is nothing else that could possibly matter. So the dream both matter and doesn't matter. Life/reality is a dream that you can't wake up from, except for short periods of time ("no-self experiences/ego death experiences/"enlightenment experiences). However, you can become conscious of the fact that it is a dream (through these no-self experiences), or you can live your whole your life not ever becoming conscious of it. The dream remains in either case, you can never wake up from it. The dream is all there is.

good stuff.

This is all just conceptualization, yes. It's nothing worth compared to direct experience with an ego-death experience. When the mind/ego is gone, what is left is only _you_, the real you, the essence of your being, and only then can you truly see who/what you really are. As long as the mind is running, you will not see yourself. You will only see what the mind is giving you. And it gives you bombardments of thoughts and emotions all day long. Even feelings you're not consciously aware of, such as the feeling of being an individual self. This feeling you take for granted as reality, i.e. you can't possibly imagine how reality would be like if you didn't feel as a separated self, and thus, because you're not able to imagine this, you're naturally not able to be aware of the fact that in EXACTLY the same way as the mind is giving you thoughts like "I gotta do x and y to be happy" and giving you emotions like anxiety, joy, etc, the mind is ALSO currently 24/7 giving you an underlying feeling of being a separated self. And this feeling of being a separated self is directed towards the body. The mind convinces you that you are this separated mind and thus the body. Currently, you're not seeing your true self. You are still 'it'/the true self (always have been, always will be), but you're currently not conscious of it. You have played a trick on yourself where you have identified yourself with the mind (and thus also the body). And naturally you have completely forgotten that you made this trick in the first place. I say "played a trick on yourself" because ultimately that's what you've done. Sure, it is relatively speaking the mind that is misleading you, but the mind is ultimately not only perceived by you, but naturally also created by you and also contained within you (you=consciousness=nothingness=pure being). Because what/who else could possibly have created the mind, except for you? And can you locate the mind anywhere? Can you locate your feelings anywhere? Can you locate your thoughts anywhere? No, you can't. It's because these "things", which are experiences, are located within nothingness (which is ultimately what true reality is; it's litteraly NOTHING, nothing, nothing, nothing =)). You are this nothingness. This nothingness is self-aware. This is why we could also call it infinte consciousness, awareness, being, etc.. It's you! The funny thing is while most people will agree they can't locate their thoughts and feelings anywhere (except some will maybe say "in my head/brain" but that's just retarded (:D), cos if I open up your skull I surely can't find any thoughts:D), they still believe they can locate other experiences that are not thoughts or feelings. For example the experience of seeing an object. For example your feet. "My feet are right there!" No, to be honest, they are not anywhere to be found, except within you: consciousness. Everything you experience: thoughts, feeling of being a self, emotions, sight, sounds, its only true location is within you, it's only true origin is from you, and it's all seen by you. Does the waves in the Pacific Sea make any sound if there's none nearby to have a listen? No. Sure, they may -- relatively speaking -- make soundwaves in the air. But if there isn't any special physical system (a human body for example) nearby to process these soundwaves, surely they don't make any sound. Sound is a mystical experience, how does energy-waves through the air get transformed into the experience of 'hearing sound' which we are all very familiar with? No minds know it, i.e. no one know it. But no-one/nothingness, hey, who's that? That is you. And surely you know very well how energy-waves through the air gets transformed into the experience of hering sound. Just clap your hand, and see what happens. But you cannot intellectualize it, the mind doesn't know how it's done through logic. That's why we also tend to say reality is illogical. Well, isn't it funny, science tells you that the "brain tells you what you are hearing". Science also tells you that you are a physical brain. How funny. If we combine the two science-statements, we got: "The brain tells the brain what the brain is hearing" or "the brain tells itself what it's hearing". And that's a paradox. And it's bullshit. A brain can't hear anything. Only you can. Because hearing is an experience, and a brain can't experience anything, just like a stone can't experience anything. But the statement "the brain tells you what you are hearing" in itself is pretty accurate, actually. The big question still remains though: What/who is/are you? Anyway. Questions: "So to see who I am, I just have to turn off the mind - well does that mean, that I just need to go to sleep?" Well, no. When the body is in deep sleep the mind is still functioning as normal, because it's normal to sleep, that's what the brain is programmed to do every now and then (to sleep). You could also say that the mind/ego is gone in deep-sleep, and what's left is really only you (nothingness/infinite empty consciousness), which is arguably true. However, when you wake up, you have no memory of 'knowing' your true self.. See, there is a difference between BEING your true self and KNOWING your true self. Being your true self, well you are ALWAYS your true self, you just don't it, and instead you believe your true self is equal to the mind/body, so there is no difference between being awake or being in deep sleep, you are still 'it'. 'Knowing' your true self is an entirely different thing, which isn't easy. And after all it is not the mind per se that has to be shut down, but it's just the 'feeling of being a self' that has to go away. And since this feeling is what is the foundation for all the other workings of the mind, it's easiest to just say that you have to kill the mind to see yourself. How do you kill the mind? Psychedelics are good. Meditation is good. Deep contemplation and paradoxes are good to make the mind go crazy and shut down. What you have to do is to let go of attachments, let go of investments in life. As long as you are attached to things in life, investing in things in life, it will be nearly impossible without psychedelics to achieve ego-death, even if you meditate for decades. Because the mind's function is to attach to things and to invest in things (looks, carrer, family, friends, sex, money, success, materialism). And as long as you continue to do that, no matter how hard you meditate, the mind will probably stay. Because it's still being used (although less if you actually meditate for +30 min a day, which will naturally increase your awareness on the long-term, because awareness = you = nothing, and the more "you do nothing" (=meditate) the more you will become you (in a sense), i.e. the more awareness 'you' will "get".) EDIT: Note also, that I'm NOT talking about being "free" of ego/mind "forever". An ego-death experience IS imo a momentarily experience. The ego (= the mind) will always come back and stay with you until the body dies. The mind/the ego/a person is an ever-changing idea/concept though, and some of the biggest changes to a mind/person will come if the mind/person is ever witnessed being killed (and thus combined with a realization that one is not a body/mind/person). A single ego-death-like-experience ("an enlightenment experience"/"satori") will in itself most of the time be enough to have big, big impact on your life. After such experiences more work has to be done though. "Enlightenment" is not a state to achieve, rather it's an ever-ongoing proces of becoming more and more aligned with the truth in your life. And being aligned with truth (your true self) doesn't mean you have to sit in a cave 24/7, no, no. Sitting in a cafe 24/7 is something you can do to get those ego-death experiences. When you have got them, you stop sitting in a cave 24/7. You can do anything in life and be aligned with truth (almost, you probably wouldn't do things that create suffering for other beings). You can be a doctor, a guru, an artist, a cleaning lady, whatever. The difference is how you relate to life on an inner level. Do you see that it's all a game and that you are playing a role in this beautiful game of life, or do you not? If you believe you are a body, of course you won't see life as a beautifil game, since when the body dies this will then mean you will die as well, and then that's serious business man, that's not a game ;). I also believe there are varying degrees/depths of ego-death-experiences. Obviously the deeper the experience = the closer to being completely one (= conscious) with truth/your true self = the deeper the impact on your life. I believe there are semi-ego-death-experience which only give you glimpses of truth, but not the "full-blown package" so to speak. I think most reported ego-death experiences are semi-ego-death experiences. The real full-blown ego-death experiences probably requires a combination of contemplation/meditation for decades + 5-MeO maybe. What do I know=)

"The One" absolutely needs to create "false selfs" to be able to experience itself. This is pure logic. Light needs darkness. Darkness needs light. it's all one thing. Contrast. If all that existed was "Being" / Infinity / The One / Nothingness then "it" wouldn't know itself. Individualized "physical" bodies walking around believing they exist as independent, individualized selfs goes hand-in-hand with "The One"/"God", i.e. you can't have one without the other "God" needs to make itself believe that it's not "God" -- in the first place -- to ever be able to experience itself. Therefore, no you don't have an eternity to be "the One". You have no time actually. you have this present moment to experience your true self, and that's it.

"You only have maybe 80 years to be this particular human with all its imperfections, while you have an eternity to be the one." Hehe. Dangerous assumptions being made here imo. You already are 'it'. ("it" = 'the one' / nothingness / consciousness / God, and so on.) You have always been, and will never not be. You are currently having an (illusory) experience of being a human body. You are still truly 'it', however, and will never not be.

@Gurunext "Ego is You" "You came to existence because it was useful for Source to make a split. " "Source wants to grow" "As I've mentioned - Ego can't be destroyed anymore. It's good enough in a state that it is and will serve Source in one way or the other." Mate. You. Are. Lost. Take some psychdelics and you'll see. You can't really theorize about this. Or, of course you can, but it's worth absolutely NOTHING compared to direct experience with what reality is. But I can also theorize and tell you where you're wrong. 1. Ego is not you. You is not ego. Ego is a concept. You are a concept. Ego is nothing. You are nothing. You don't exist. You are nothing. You get it? You prolly don't, but let me repeat: The "you" you think you are = illusion. Plain and simple. What you really are is nothingness/conciouscness/"Source" as you call it. 2. You have always existed and will never not exist. You = "Source" = Nothingness = Consciousness 3. To be clear, You have no desires to grow or not grow. You have no desires actually. The only desire you have is Being/Love because that's the natural state, and even that is not really a "desire", it's just the ground state of reality as i said. 4. Ego can't be destroyed of course, because there is no fucking ego to be destroyed in the first place It's an illusion. What CAN be "destroyed" momentarily is this illusion, i.e. the illusory "feeling" of being an indvidiual self can be destroyed. But as you can read, it's just a feeling, there is no self/you anywhere to be found (see this for yourself, it's not that hard to grasp, or maybe it is lol). 5. Let me repeat. What you really are is NOT ego. What you really are is non-concept, non-word, non-thing, non-non-thing... it's: Nothing at all. Therefore since you are nothing there is no "you" to serve any 3rd-party-thing ("Source"). You are making a religion here. But let's be clear: God is unknown by those who know what God is. God is known by those who don't know what God is. That's two paradoxes for your mind to think about. Ego = Mind = Person = Illusion. Since in this reality we call you a person and me another person, this clearly shows that this world we live in = one big fat illusion; A game of playing out certain roles;) In reality, you are not an ego, you are not a mind, you are not a person. A mind/person is an EXPERIENCE to have. You are currently having the experience of having a particular mind/being a particular person. I am currently having another experience of having a particular mind/being a particular person. You = I = Nothingness = God = "Source" = Absolute Infinity = Consciousness = and so forth, call it what you want, it's nothing. It is possible to have an (momentarily) experience of not being a particular person (getting rid of the biggest illusion played by yourself). Such an experience we normally call "ego-death" or a "no-self-experience" or an "enlightenment experience". Go have one and then come back and theorize

Intense emotions while socializing? Chill out man... Haha shiiiiit, man, our minds are fucked huh? We are so concerned about how other human beings perceive us and judge us. Why? Survival, reproduction of genes. Fear of death. Having friends = more likely to attract a woman = more likely to have sex and get kids and get our genes reproduced. All fear is ultimately a result of fear of death. Which is funny, because ultimately; who's afraid? Who's going to die? Where is the self that was born and will die? Can you locate it? Can you locate yourself - your sense of being? Isn't this sense of self just an illusory set of feelings/thoughts that are hard-wired by nature to run for 24/7? How do we tun it off? Extreme sports? Near-death experiences? Hardcore meditation practices? Shrooms? AL-LAD? DMT? 5-MeO? Mantras? Repeating your own name to yourself until the word loses its meaning and the brain malfunctions? David, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david, david - what is David?

It has probably been posted here before, but it's so good, that it doesn't hurt getting posted again. enjoy.

Don't overthink it too much. It's very, very simple. That which seperate "our" two experiences IS the two experiences (two different minds). Simple, but at the same time mysteriously unfathomable. And by the way. Space exists just as much as objects exist. If there were no space, there wouldn't be any objects. It goes together.

As I said, there exist many minds; obviously,..Currently, if we speak in normal conceptual language, then I'm one person(one mind), and you're another person. Having a mind is an experience. Sure, a special type of experience, as other experiences are percieved through the mind. The mind is like a filter. Most rationalists won't agree having a mind is an experience, though There are infinite experiences. That which "has" the experience is Nothingness/You/Me/Infinity/Consciousness/Etc; it's all one, we're all one. Yes, Consciousness is having many experiences right now. Infinite experiences probably;) And yes they are all different. So yes there exist infinite experiences within this true ultimate One Self. "But where and in what dimension can a multiplicity of experiences occur? " I don't get your question. But of course existence is insanely mystical, so there are many questions we cannot answer:D You could also view it differently and say we're all streams of the same essence (consciousness). But why are you that stream, and me this stream? (Why I am having this experience right now, and why are you having "that" experience right now? :D)

Just as there are many trees, there are many flowers, many oceans, many stars, many pigs, many lions, many birds, many tables, many cups, many galaxies, many persons, many bodies, many minds, many hands, many cellphones, many computers, many websites, many feelings, many beliefs, many cultures, many viewpoints, many ideas, many thoughts, many experiences. However, all those "many's" are all deliberately created by You, popping into and out of existence within You, and perceived by You. You = Me = Consciousness = the only true self that is = Absolute Infinity = Nothingness. The error people tend to make is that they assume that a brain-mind is 'capable of experiencing experience' (experience = many's). A brain-mind is not capable of that. A brain is concept, which we define as a physical lump of billions of nerve cells (= more concepts, you can go on). A mind is an even more abstract concept, which can best be defined as a set of complex information/data/filters stored within a brain. Currently, You -- whoever is reading this meaningless text -- are perceiving existence through a mind "with the help" of a brain. You are not a brain. You are not a person. You are not a body. You are not a mind. You are not a thing. The brain and the associated mind is merely a "tool" for You to experience reality/existence in one unique way of the infinite possible ways.

Some chilled ambient stuff. 8 hour mix, perfect for AL-LAD. Music is supposed to sound pretty amazing on this stuff. Guess the mix goes well for sober non-psychedelic listening as well. enjoy

KOAN Sound is amazing. Best electronic music I've heard in a long time. Sick production skills do these guys indeed have. Recommended tracks: View From Above, Lost in Thought, Sentient, Forgotten Myths.

Haven't watched the whole video yet (Leo's Zen-devil video). Interesting none the less. I have watched 30 mins of it. But I wanna give ya'll my take on it - because why not. I feel like what you call "small non-duality" is not really enlightenment. I can see the point in making a distinction between an enlightened 'Master' and an enlightened 'Devil'. However... In my eyes, I would say that a so-called 'Enlightened Devil' is not really enlightened. Such a person probably has great logical understanding of non-duality and has probably had some deep awakening experiences. Yet, I would say he hasn't gone deep enough and hasn't got a True intuitive understanding of reality in his heart. Because as I see it ... The Zen Devil only intuitvely feels that 'he is nothing' -- so nothing matters right? That's his mindset. But he hasn't got the full picture. The opposite statement "I am everything" also needs to incorporated, as that is JUST as true as the "I am nothing"-statement. A master has both the "I am everything"-feeling and the "I am nothing"-feeling deep in his heart. It melts together to a true non-dual perspective on life, whereas the Zen devil only has half of the picture in his heart.. namely the "I am nothing"-part. “Wisdom is knowing I am nothing, Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves.” - Nisargadatta All of reality is apparently dualistic. Two opposite concepts are dependent on each other. The "I am nothing"-view cannot exist without the "I am everything"-view. Both statements are equally true and false. Truth with a capital T only comes when you see that both statements are two sides of the same coin, and that's it that single coin itself that is Reality with a capital R. Then we got True non-dualism. If we make the analogy and say that Life is like a ludo boardgame... where we have people playing the game. Most persons don't REALLY love the game. They both love it and hate it dependently on how their colour is doing in game. They identify only partly with the game. They identify with their colour (ego) and thus they can both feel happiness and suffer. Such a person put immense meaning in what's happening in the game to him or her. It's of uttermost importance that he or she win. The game has so much meaning to them. The person attaches him or herself to the color in the game. Deep attachment. An enlightened person identify with the all of the game ... All that's happening... Not just part of the game. Such a person thus loves the game truly. Unconditional love. No matter what happens in the game, the person is full of love to it. This person know that there's no deeper meaning with the game besides the game. Nothing that happens in the game ultimately matters. This person doesn't attach to anything that happens in the game, yet the person plays the game with great passion - because the person loves the game.. He know that his true self is the whole game, all that's happening. Now, Ludo is a bad analogy, because Ludo is an individualized-driven game lol.. but replace Ludo with life, and you get the point I guess.

@Wafflemuffins @Leo Gura Yeah, but the piano music is so damn great and fits well with the beautiful pictures, so that won't do:D I guess the best thing would have been to cut 1/3 of the pictures out (only keep the 2/3 best) so each picture could have gotten a second more exposure time:D but im just nitpicking, the video is great. and yeah, that's life;)