WaveInTheOcean

I mean: Reality is Absolutely Infinite in Infinite Directions. So OF COURSE, it IS possible for <'that'/The Godhead/Absolute Infinity> to KNOW itself. This "Divine Possibility of Knowing" is just not what you think it is. It has nothing to do with what most people call 'regular knowing'. Because of course, from a language/rational-pov, it is of course not possible for a pair of eyes to see themselves, or for a mouth to eat itself. Yet, because Reality is Absolutely Infinite, it is of course possible. It just cannot --in any way-- be communicated with words. And it's never what you think it is. The human mind cannot grasp it. You have to go beyond human. The only ways I see it is possible to go beyond human is: - A rare spontaneous gift from God (rare, rare genetics, rare, rare upbringing). - Insane dedication and discipline in the art of meditation for years. - Other extreme ways of 'self-torture' such as going into a desert for weeks without anything to drink or eat. - Psychedelics. (They are Divine gifts of course, put into the dream by Yourself deliberately, intelligently). Pick one!

Yes, no one recognizes that there is no one inside one's head. Mystical, indeed. A paradox of paradoxes. And that's the nature of actual reality: Paradox on paradox on paradox...all made out of Love! And yes, of course labelling 'it' is kind of silly - we can only really point to it with words. Of course everyone can directly experience the Absolute Truth for themselves, which is Awakening/Enlightenment. And therefore, no: It IS knowable in the most absolute sense of what knowing means; not belief/ideas/language-concepts; but it IS possible to become directly concious of 'it'. You just cannot speak of it.

Yes. If you reason purely rationally about this issue, then believing that there is a separate self inside one's head is insanely absurd. Yes, this recognization is part of liberation. No, it's not the whole Truth. There is more to enlightenment than that insight.

Yes. Watts' words have been absolutely instrumental in my own path of awakening. The first 44 minutes of the 'Do you do it or does it do you'-lecture (it's on YT) is hands down the best 44 minutes you can spend on YouTube (if you want to awaken).

Who got that recognition? :-) Who saw it for what it was? What do you mean by 'here'? And what/who experienced this regathering of the ego? :-) Oh, so it was dropped like it was hot? By who? Who dropped it ? -------------------------------------------------- @VeganAwake-------------------------------------------------- To keep this discussion really simple, if you do not fully agree with this: Nothingness = Everything = Love = God = Ego = Consciousness , then I can safely say you're still lost. In either way, if you do actually agree, then we have nothing to discuss. Also if you disagree, there's no point either in continuing this "discussion" between I and myself. And it's perfectly fine to have an other recognition, experience or belief here... no judgement at all. <3 -------------------------------------------------- @VeganAwake-------------------------------------------------- I know you don't actually judge me. But still: Do you judge me for writing so much here about love and peace? Making <3's all the time? If your state of consciousness/enlightenment does not grasp/understand that Reality is in fact All About Love, then sure, you may still be somewhat awakened/enlightened/liberated, but it's pretty incomplete in the humble opinion of no one :-) Much love <3

Could you as clear and consise as possible then describe your definition of Enlightenment/Liberation? :-)

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"All those petty fears and points of anger are all just part of the waking up process, and don't really matter by themselves. Don't get hung up on little things, its not important in the bigger picture. " Beautiful. And this especially touched me, cos it's so true (I edited it a bit for kicks): " Deeper understanding of the spiritual path: Time The spiritual path doesn't happen chronologically or linearly, or even timely. There's no time. Its not like you wake up one day, do a bunch of stuff, then one day get enlightened... That's all part of the imaginary story and that's where the "you're already enlightened" confusion comes about. You're forever waking up. You are never not-waking-up. You never stop waking up, and you never ultimately 'wake up' either. Even now writing this Mescaline trip report. You haven't woken up. You were awake all along! The idea that you took some mescaline, woke up and now is awakened is clearly laughable. The idea that anybody just wakes up one day is laughable. Time is an illusoin. Only within the ideas of time and space does that happen. In reality you're all humans and all beings that ever lived. You're waking up all the time. You're awake all the time, sometimes you're just "wakingly" asleep. Sometimes you see you're awake, sometimes you don't, but these aren't really two separate events that happen in some points in time. They happen outside of time. Now. You are both hiding and seeking at the same time, so to speak. This mescaline-experience isn't happening within a particular time; it's just another one of "those times" where you see you're awake; and that's how it's always been: Spinning from awake to non-awake, not at any particular point in time, but it just happens. Now."

"Its one thing to be awake, its another to overcome fear. " I sort of disagree. At least with my awakening, all fear is gone now. of course my body-mind can still momentarily be subjected into a fear state, i.e. if a car is close to driving me down when im riding my bike etc. But on a day-to-day-basis, there is no fear. How can there be fear when I see that everything that happens to me is my own doing? :>

" Where's the fear coming from? From believing that there's anything other than you" I like this one. So precise and cut to the point. "By this time a cop came over to me asking if I was ok. Apparently I had been talking to several neighbours without realising it. Apparently I told a couple about the stuff mentioned above, which I only remembered after seeing the cop. After telling the cop with the most amount of charisma and confidence I had ever expressed to another human being before, that I was fine and was just walking home, he let me go. Got away from that one luckily." HAHAHAHA

Great trip report mr. Bohr. Happy for ya. Where are you from? Denmark? "How do I overcome my pickup fears.?" Haha, that's an easy one mate. If you see that every girl you see is just yourself, then it should be quite easy just going over to have a casual talk with yourself, shouldn't it? If she happens to reject you, it's just you rejecting yourself. Like it matters, right?

It is indeed very significiant. One perspective is nothing matters, an other perspective is it's the most important thing in the world. I get you 100%. Your trip seems to align very well with my past two 2CB-trips. All is Love and it is beyond beautiful. No matter how twisted things may appear, behind the "outward things", if you look deeply behind/within enough, everything is seen to be happening out of Love.

The apples dont fall far from the tree: I think it's a joke from leo that we are his children. And he's obviously teaching about psychedelics to awaken as many as possible. Now you and I want to make psychedelic therapy mainstream. So yeah, those apples don't fall far from the tree. =D

I fully agree. or you could say it's waiting to be remembered by God who forgot she willingly decided to forget that he's God and instead tricked itself into believing it was an individual/separate ego-person-body-mind. God = No One

'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.' 'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.' - Aristotle

"there isn't anyone here to hold on to any concepts or beliefs... " Okay, this is gonna be fun, so why not. To use the nisargadatta-quote, my "problem" (not that I have any real problems in life since my awakening) with veganawake is that he is indeed too far on the "everything is nothing" on the <"I'm Nothing" <--> "I'm Everything">-scale. The scale is of course a dualistic concept, and nothing and everything is absolutely one and the same thing. But anyway, it's quote obvious to me -- I'd like to believe, I may be wrong -- that veganwake's mind is not really in full non-dual mode It's somewhat stuck in the "nihilistic nothingness/everything is perfect as it is/nothing matters/nothing exist"-way-of-thinking. Of course this way of thinking is true enough. There's nothing wrong with saying these things. The problem arises if you cling to these ideas and hold them as the whole truth. The whole truth is: "paradox, non-dual, infinite, every-perspective-is-equal". As I have said multiple times but which veganawake somehow does not seem to fully grasp is that everything that we can say with words and sentences can never-ever be fully true. And you can take any statement and flip it on its head and this opposite statement will be equally as true as the original statement. When we communicate and say things, we always say it to someone, either to ourselves or to another. What I say on this forum depends mostly on what I think most readers are identified with. For example, if most readers are lost in the dream and does not grasp that their ego and everything is fantasy and that they are Divine, then I'll say things that'll make them try to understand this. However, let's say most readers are fanatics who are clinging to the nihilistic belief that they don't exist and that nothing matters and that they truly are God and that they can do as they damn please, then I might write something like: "Everything matters. The Now is eternal and infinite. It's all that matters and it contains everything. You do exist. Yes as God. But you don't understand what God is. God has nothing to do with your personal beliefs and ideas. You may very well believe that you can do as you damn please, sure, but it's a belief, notice that. You do exist, and Reality is Real in the Realest sense. Yes, It's a dream, but it's your fucking draem. You decided to dream it up. Do you think that it was a mistake? No it wasn't. This dream of yours is intelligent and planned out. Make no mistake, fool". Anyway to conclude this pointless rant, I'll take some things VeganAwake have said and use his own logic against him. Just to make him see how lost he is. (I've been stuck in his way of thinking for a long time by the way. So did Leo. It's only recently, like the past 1-2 years that Leo has incoporated the Love-aspect into his teachings). "And the belief that there is a higher perspective as opposed to lower perspective is still caught in the dream and is still duality " Your sincere belief that there is no higher perspective as opposed to lower perspective shows that you're still caugtht in the fantasy-land of duality. I could say that there are indeed higher perspectives compared to lower perspectives, and it would be just as true as what you said. See, I don't disagree with you, only with your rigid mind. "And that's just fine because it's what's happening it's whole complete and perfect but for No One." It's complete and perfect for God as well, you could say. Your "sincere belief of nothingness" is just that: a belief. "there isn't anyone here to hold on to any concepts or beliefs... " Your belief that there isn't anyone here to hold on to any concepts or beliefs is just that: a belief. I could say that there indeed is someone here that is capable of holding on to beliefs and concepts, namely You (God, I'm talking to you my friend), and it would be just as true as your original statement. "It's already perfect it's already whole it's already complete it's already Paradise it's already the kingdom of heaven" It's not already whole. It's not already complete. We got a lot of work to do. The kingdom of heaven is certainly not here on Earth yet. Have you seen what's happening in US? How many children every day that die due to hunger in Africa? To say it's already paradise is ... well, of course true enough, if you look at it from one level of magnification, hehe, but not from another level of magnification:-) No level of magnification is more true than any other. We can zoom infinitely far out and infinitely far in, and it's always that: a perspective, always only half-truth. As I said, of course, from my level of magnification it's sort of already whole and perfect and Paradise itself is certainly right in front of my eyes in everything I look at. That's how I feel. I see the Beautiful Garden all around me. Do you? <3 Much love to everyone here. <3 Sorry for being harsh and arrogant, I can't help my self. <3 This isn't even something I'm writing. It's Flow.

Yeah thanks for reminding me not that I didn't really know it beforehand I'm fully aware we are saying the same things, i.e. pointing to the Absolute nature of reality/Truth, and yeah that Nisargadatta-quote is one of my favs. With that said, I can just sniff out from his rigid and dry way of writing that he's probably not 'fully there' yet, but what I do know, maybe he is :-) not that it matters at all <3 and what does it even mean to "fully be there?" ,... nothing, or well, I guess it means complete inner peace. This Inner Peace I'm feeling 24/7 since my awakening 1 ½ week ago: I wish everyone could feel that. (( I'd now expect him to reply to this post in these sort of lines: "The one who believes he scan sniff out anything is a dream, an illusion, fantasy. Who is the "he" that is not fully there yet? Everything is perfect as it is. It is 'here' Now. To believe it doesn't matter is a belief. A concept." )) Of course, vegan-ideology-dude-who-thinks-he's awake: I'm very thankful to you for reminding me not to get too far ahead of myself. Sure, you are right, the ego likes to take ownership of every experience -- gotta watch out.

sure. I have written you behind my ear =D expect that I call you in 5-6 years

Ok read it again comfy and home from work and it made somewhat more sense. Yes, 3-dimensional, i like that wording! "if you want to raise the sea level you need to melt a lot of mountains, for example. although then it would still not be drinkable." That's a fine analogy @remember

Sorry to be rude but I didn't understand a word of what you just wrote, which means either: A: You're mumbling/being very unclear. B: I'm retarded / not not on the same level as you (??) Or both. ❤️??

Ehee, not that it matters, but then you also disagree with Leo on that, (I think, cos he always talks about conscious as something you can raise, maybe he has changed view, not that i rly care). Anyway, you are of course right: from the highest absolute perspective, consciousness is god is love is one is Self is everything is nothing. And therefore it's silly to talk about a scale of consciousness. But from a *relative* perspective I'd very much say a person's consciousness is something that can be raised. If you disagree with that then I find you rather funny?❤️

Consciousness is an infinite scale, relatively speaking. Lowest is complete absorption in ego/character (= not seeing the character for what it is: a character). Highest is complete absorption in your true self, i.e. God. It's impossible to actually *become* the highest during day-to-day-life, since day-to-day-life implies controlling the character (but you can become very aware and feel that the character is not the whole You, but a fantasy imagined by You). During human life you can, however, become infinitely close to God / Your True Self. In that sense, there is always more to it than "mere" enlightenment. You can always expand your consciousness -- and most importantly: you can expand it in infinite directions! There are infinite flavours, colours of God. <3 Anyway, in this discussion, it's always important to be very clear what we mean by "enlightenment"/"awakening". Here is my own analogy of the path: You start your life at one side of the river: complete ego-absorption, completely asleep. - At some point you maybe get a glimpse of the True Self -- micro-awakening -- which tells you that the 'poor little body-mind-self' is not the whole You. This is where you are thrown into the river. You are not awakened yet in the fullest sense, since you are still very much "not free" and doesn't actually understand what you are. But you are still "more enlightened" than all other people who are still completely asleep. Because you sense/know there is something bigger than your ego. The spiritual journey begins. I also like to call this the awakening of the mind. You sort of understand and can maybe even rationlize about 'Oneness', 'ego', 'God', 'non-duality' etc., but you don't actually *get it*. - If you keep being passionate about understanding reality/truth/yourself and strive to become honest and authentic, then at some point you will reach the other side of the river. This we could call the awakening of the heart. Now you *get it*. You feel it. You understand deeply in both mind and heart that your persona/body-ego-mind is a character that You are playing. And that You = Divine = Everything = Nothing. You are free. - Now that you are on the other side of the river, you are what we would call awakened, enlightened, liberated. But you are not done yet. In a sense the REAL journey starts now. You see the woods on this other side of the river. And you naturally walk into the woods. The deeper you walk into them, the higher your consciousness becomes. This is all relatively speaking, needless to say :-) Words are of course meaningless in regards to True Communication. I'm just pointing a finger.

Leo put up a song up on his blog, Infinite Insights, called "Sonder" (by AK), which is a very nice chillstep/ambient song indeed. I'm INTP, so of course I had to google what the actual fuck "sonder" means. It turns out it's a word coined by a dude behind a YT-channel called Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows. It's a "dictionary" for emotions which all human beings know, but which we have not yet made any words for. This dude has now made up the words. I'll just link one example, namly 'sonder - n. the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your own' , but there are many more. The associated videos with each word are beautifully made.

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Most definitely ❤️??