WaveInTheOcean

But who cares?! Quick, casual sex over heart and spiritual connection ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!! .. @Leo Gura How would you know? You don't want girls who want a relationship, anyway - you prefer your solitude:-)

One of the wisest post I've read on this forum. Read OP again dear reader.

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Dude, it's both.

"I dont remember" is a thought. You see: this (enlightenment, truth) is SO hilariously obvious that your mind constantly will reject it. It's like you've been looking for hay in a haystack your whole life, and a dude comes over to you and says 'hey, the hay you're looking for, you got it bro, it's right here' ... Of course you will reject it/him, because if you admitted it to yourself that you've been swimming in hay your whole life while looking for hay, well, that would be extremely, out-of-this-world embarrassing, right? So your mind comes up with all kind of excuses and all kind of imaginary problems. "oh this is not hay, I'm looking for real hay" ... "Oh, well i forgot what i was looking for but it surely can't be hay then!" .. etc. Or - you could say it's like looking for your dear pair of glasses your whole life, never finding them, because you forgot you had them on. "I don't remember. I only remember this life." I asked you a very very simple question (have you ever experienced unconsciousness/deep sleep?), and your mind didn't like the simplicity of it, so it conjured up some imaginary issues: "I don't remember, I only remember this life"... Well, dude, your whole life is nothing other than memories. So there is that. Let's say we erased all of your memories, even your ability to form both short- and long-term memories, what would then 'be' ??? Pure being, pure consciousness, not even able to ask questions, not even able to reflect, to regret, to worry. Just 'pure being' without the illusory sense of time (past and future). Now, it IS possible to sober 'grasp' 'pure being' (truth, reality) while still retaining the ability to form memories. This requires complete surrender though, an extreme almost non/super-human 'ability' to 'disidentify' & completely and absolutely 'let go' every day, every hour, every minute, every second. ... And if you can do that, you're infinite, liberated, at peace, calm, in the now, fully present, detached but 'immersed in consciousness itself' *without* clinging, tension, contraction, ego, worry... ... The point is, javfly, that your life IS memories: i.e. a story your unconscious mind conjures up for you (conscious self) every day you wake up from bed. It doesn't matter if it is a true or false story, that is completely irrelevant; the point is that 'you' (as a self) & 'time' & 'opposites' (i.e. good, bad, self, other, life death) ONLY (seem to) exist BECAUSE you are so hilariously ATTACHED (identified) with 'your memories'. So let me ask you again: have YOU (the innermost experience of being YOU) EVER 'experienced' "unconsciousness/deep sleep" , -- yes or no ?? Or let me ask you in another way: If you *did* remember the experience of 'unconsciousness/deep sleep' would that experience then not be a *conscious* experience ?? If you *did* clearly remember the experience of 'earlier lives' would those experiences then not be a *conscious* experience AND a part of what you now -- selfishly, ignorantly -- 'define' as 'my life' ?? ?????❤️??️?????? What is 'material reality' ?? Like for fucking real, what the fuck (:D) do you mean when you say 'material reality' ?? We have to be really really nitty gritty and careful here. Isn't 'material reality' just a concept appearing NOW *as* 'conscious experience' ?? I mean, if you were to show me this 'material reality' of yours, what would you do? Take me into the Himalayas to show me the mountains? Fly me into space to show me the ?, the Solar System? Or perhaps drive me down town to New York's scientific museum to show me pictures of atoms and mathematical graphs of electrons' orbitals? Wouldn't all of these examples be '*conscious(ness)* experiences' ?? Or let's say your "monkey-survival-brain-conceptual-addicted-to-thinking-limited-mind" (the same "I got") 'takes up the challenge' and replies with a conceptual answer like: "oh, duh hippie, with 'material reality' I just mean fucking *reality*: this 'physical world' you & I are (seem to be) 'stuck in', are experiencing daily, you know, *matter*: other human bodies, sunlight, trees, buildings, cells, brains, molecules, physical laws, atoms, quarks, electrons, positions, matter(!) " ... - well, then 'that' is what 'you believe' reality to be: a concept..., and while you were writing it, were you conscious?, - while I was reading it, was I conscious? ... ????????????? Maybe you believe/identify to much in/with 'thoughts' ... maybe... ???️??☀️ All I see here is just more concepts, more guesses, more thinking, more beliefs, more identifying, more worrying, more attachment, more clinging, more seeking, more thoughts, more identifying, more dissatisfaction, more language-games. However, if you like playing these games, be my guest and play on ? . I think I said what I wanted to say to you. ? Now I gotta go pick up my imaginary body/dream-character (Thomas, a wave in The Ocean ?), which is then (if all goes according to my selfish plan) going to pick up Thomas' imaginary bike at the mechanic, drive it to the imaginary barber, then I'll get a nice, neat, sexy haircut for my dream-character, then go watch the imaginary football country, Denmark, beat the devil out of England at my conceptual best friend's café, then go dance as a psychopath to a lot of loud electronic music outside in Copenhagen inner city on 15 mg 2C-B, then hopefully kiss a lot of imaginary young women, laugh a ton, drink a few beers, smoke some imaginary harmful cigarettes/joints, and then perhaps go to bed early next morning, ... - and then the Sun will, hopefully, rise again tomorrow (we never know, some imaginary advanced alien civilization may fuck us imaginary humans over by extinguishing our imaginary Sun while we sleep) - in short: another day comes. Cheers. tldr; Have you ever experienced unconsciousness? Have you ever experienced anything other than consciousness/experience? Stupid/intelligent questions with obvious answers. ????

Haha - you're like a knife ? ?️

Thank you for saying that. It's nice to hear ?❤️???

But... You have to lose your egoic mind to then build a more encompassing selfless mind

Of course you are imagning that they think and have feelings. Just as you as 'yourself' imagine that you think and feel. In truth you have never thought a thought or felt a feeling. You have *experienced* thoughts and feelings, and to believe that you were responsible for these thoughts and feelings, well that is completely and utter illusion; and the ego's job (deception).

You can't. Don't worry, it does not even matter in the end. But listen to Alan Watts!

I'm talking about the body you're currently deeply identified with; yes, hello, it's going to die sooner or later, hopefully you already knew that. You could call it a belief or an assumption sure, just as I believe the Sun will rise tommorow over Denmark again;) The problem isn't that you're going to die (i.e. you're body is going to die), the problem is you're still deeply identified with your body, and thus still believe you're capable of dying and going to a deep sleep forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.... You see? 'you' as <insert your name>/body are going to die but what about You, i.e. the real you, have you ever been unconscious?

'What is' is motion, change, death, transformation, impermanence. You were programmed by genes and your culture to resist death (change) - how do you let go of this resistance to the impermanence of reality, life; to the 100,0000% sure fact that your body/mind is going to die?

Amazingly well put. So are there more laws than the three laws of oneness, action and attraction?

It is a mystery, because the 'I' that thinks it's giving up control is in and by itself not doing anything cos it does not exist. As such, real surrender is when you realize you can't do anything at all. Trying to let go is in and by itself and act of trying to control things. Hehe. Where does the desire to control everything come from? Fear. (Of death). So, how do you teach your body & heart to not be afraid all the time? By exposing it to fearful things all the time. So if you're real serious about spiritual work you gotta start daily doing things that pushes your comfort zone. The most brutal way is to die without physically dying (and thus realize even physical death is nothing to be afraid of at all, quite the contrary). This can be achieved through meditation, insane stress, psychedelics, art, sex, etc - and as you yourself described, through sport/exercise, although this was a small ego death, not an earth shattering one. But still good. Good luck Also watch 'The OA' on Netflix.

No. But it's a useful concept for us humans. Probability is an interpretation of the past and an expectation of the future. All interpretations are limited, all forecasts limited. Reality is Infinite, and as such, it's impossible to boil it down to math/probability, but it's still useful to try to do it if you want to figure out what team to bet on or which meteorite to nuke. Survival. Your life is completely imaginary. Everything a dream. Inside the context of the dream, the cute dream characters can use math/probabilities to adapt their survival strategies, but it is just a game. From the context of God, The Dreamer, everything is perfect, everything is deliberate, the purpose being Infinite Love (Play).

The thing is: There doesn't exist an objective world. There is only Subjectivity, i.e. direct experience, CONSCIOUSNESS. Nobody has ever experienced an objective physical world. Never. It isn't possible. We can talk about 'an objective world' and we can fool ourselves into believing we are just small rabbits that randomly popped up in a physical, objective world, but the fooling is a conscious problem -- imaginary. When we talk about an objective world, we are talking about it directly, i.e. as in I thinking (consciousness). What we have is Empty Consciousness -> Instincts -> Feelings -> Thoughts -> Objective physical world. Not the other way around. Consciousness is the ground of being. 'The objective physical world' is just purely conceptual and thought-like: it doesn't really exist. What exists is Consciousness. End of discussion. Consciousness is orchestrated by Infinite Intelligence (God) and as such there only exist 'apparent coincidences', while from the PoV of God (the highest PoV) everything is perfectly delibarate. But there isn't any objective PoV. There is in fact only the PoV of God. God is all there is. However, God is playing hide'n'seek with herself, thus fooling Itself into believing it is limited finite self existing in a chaotic random world. That's just a play tho. And it is possible -- if you really want to know the truth -- to 'see through' this illusion/game/play and 'remember' what is realy going on: Play, Music, Dance, Motion, Love, God, Consciousness, Imagination, INfinity. Play on. <3

"When imagination is infinite it becomes difficult to distinguish it from reality. " So what is the difference between imaginary and real?

Exactly ?

*think* ? Call Leo out then for me, will you???️

Let go of the desire to call out me mr. God;)

Everything is a deception, i.e. everything is real. OP was just explaining - very brilliantly - that even from the materliast/science-PoV it is obvious that the 'average human experience of being a self inside a body in a physical world' is illusory, deceiving. It must be so tough to be you Leo. You are so often so harsh and hypercritical of others in your videos and on this forum, which must imply you yourself are insanely self-critical and - often - deeply lost in thought. What is holding you back from letting go - sober - of your thinking mind? (And follow the body's and heart's and 'outside world''s wisdom/intuition more than your own hypercritical never-ending limited mental thoughts).

By letting go Like for real. Even letting go of wanting to exp Love. You have to lose your mind if you want to really love. How do one lose his mind? You go DO whatever you are afraid of. So many thoughts. If you say you are not loving person, you aren't. But who decides what a loving person is? You. There is only you bro. This is YOUR dream. Not somebody elses. Who's ability ... ? Let go.