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I think you have been preparing for this moment and have a long way to go What is spirituality work and actualized.org? But training to face the horror of imminent death, Buddha once said - Even death is not to be feared by the one who has lived wisely. Use it as your motivation for your spiritual training. Because death you will encounter through out your life Till one day it knocks on your door And you will have nothing but your spiritual wisdom by your side, which you accumulated through out your life before death arrived Not that this is as easy as it is said, but ultimately this is the answer. But the 'normal' course would be , just to let it out. Grieve, express emotions for the next week or 2. That is how you would get over it. Suppressing it is harmful. Watch Leo's video on How to deal with negative emotion.
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@kieranperez But I agree with Osho's arguement that 'historicity' is not important, the essence of the teaching is important. I myself am an avid follower and reader of Osho. I was just stating what is the case, that what Osho says is not the 'perfect' representation of Buddha, ( I think so) Osho is way more lively, funny, charismatic, rebel like, poetic than Buddha (by which I mean the Buddha of the scripture. That is as close as we can get to the real Buddha) To know real Buddhism, one would have to dive into the scriptures, which is way less fun than Osho's books. and complex. Buddhists have their own epistemology, their own psychology, metaphysics, they have studied emotions to great depth, they have studied cause and effect, they have developed so many techniques. they have highly complex philosophical systems, they have divisions of consciousness, have made distinctions within sensations and mental activity. It's extreeeemely huge. It would be like taking a philosophy course on German Idealism, instead of reading beautiful poetry. '
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There are so many free osho pdfs that can be downloaded but not this one, NOOOOOO I hope these teachings are present in other 400 downloadable pdfs. But personally I think, Osho's book are not the perfect representation of Buddha's teachings, Osho puts his own flavour to the teachings of other saints. Like I am sure Buddha has never said - To take advantage of people who insults you by raising one's consciousness. But I think Buddha would agree with Osho's creative methods. But it works for the people of the modern generation, Osho packages his spiritual teachings for the modern consciousness. Osho has even made up stories about Buddha which were entertaining to the general audience, and he used to get in debates with the orthrodox Buddhist monks, and Osho's argument would be, the essence of the story is the same, whether the event happened or not doesn't matter. The historicity is useless.
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Ibn Sina replied to rnd's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I think wisdom is same as knowledge, but of an existential kind. In buddhist literature there is talk about the cultivation of wisdom, after the experiential insight through meditation. Focus is a mental activity. Consciousness is .... according to medical physiology book cns chapter, state of awareness. I was quite shocked, because the definition of consciousness in a science book and spirituality books, is identical! Is consciousness permanent like wisdom or short lived like focus? Well, how could consciousness be impermanent? There is a term called loss of consciousness, which means the person faints and he is no longer aware Consciousness is what is left in your psyche when all the outside stimuli, memory, content of the world is dissolved or stripped away from it. It is the bed rock of mental activity. When you minus all the mental images, sounds, memory, you are left with pure consciousness. So here's the final conclusion Consciousness is always present when you are awake , but it gets loaded by mental activity, so this purity of consciousness is lost. Purity of consciousness is the goal of meditation. When you sleep or black out, I think there is no awareness at all, so is there consciousness when you are asleep? How can you be conscious while you have blacked out or asleep? Will you say that a person fast asleep is conscious? Hence, consciousness is lost in sleep or blacking out. Because unconsciousness sets in. -
Ibn Sina replied to Pouya's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Leo Gura I am wrong about the 'I don't know' part as I read it years ago , but I am right about the rest. www.buddhism.org/Sutras/2/GatelessGate.htm Has a dog Buddha-nature? This is the most serious question of all. If you say yes or no, You lose your own Buddha-nature. [1]: see case 18 of Shoyoroku. -
Ibn Sina replied to Pouya's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I read it somewhere. The answer was " I don't know, but if you say yes or no to the question, you will lose your buddha nature". I think this is a zen story. -
I think there is a spiritual core to Islam called Sufism. Just like Christians also have their spiritual core called Christian mysticism. And there other side is the subsequent institution that they bring. Buddha , Jesus, Muhammed There was an outpouring of the divine truth through them, but it gave rise to both the institution and the spiritual side . May be Islam is 'God' expressed through Muhammed Buddhism is 'God' expressed through Buddha Christianity is 'God' expressed through Jesus And according to their personalities, their doctrine also takes the color of their soul. Muhammed lived in violent times, he was a warrior, he had certain beliefs before he became enlightened. And when he realized God in that cave, his outpouring became the Islam. Buddha wasn't a violent person. He was a peace lover, though a kshetriya by birth. Hence his outpouring gave birth to Buddhism. I sometimes think, even a mass murderer can be enlightened. And after he will be enlightened, he will have a different outpouring, he manifests the destructive aspect of God. And I think a 'con man' cannot make a great religion like Islam, Buddhism and Christianity, which people have followed for thousands of years, and millions of people no different than you and me ,have given their life for every word in their scripture. Without a God like absolute faith, and the presence of a divine power, such great followings cannot happen. The initial 'spark' that brought about the movement keeps living on in the devout followers of the religion, that's why the religious forest fire goes on and on. If huge religious followings were to form due to the artistic skill of con men, then the 'great religions' would number in thousands. Because con men are in thousands. But great religions are few.
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The thing that I find interesting is that 'life' seems to arise spontaneously when the environment meets certain requirements. The planet earth has all the right qualities, right amount of temperature, right amount of water, right amount of nutrients, right amount of oxygen, right humidity. And in such conditions , unicellular organisms like bacteria, algae, etc, arise spontaneously. Like I had eaten some noodles, and I left a little portion in the kitchen and after few days I saw life arose on it spontaneously. But such things do not happen in extreme conditions in earth, or in planets like venus, mercury, Jupiter. So it's like life arising and not arising depends on the environment. It's like- Life is always there, always present, and it is always yearning to burst out, but the environment is restricting it. But whenever the environment is right, life bursts out. There seems to be something metaphysical about it i.e associated with the very being of reality. It seems to be omnipresent. And once it does show up (in the right environment that is) , it yearns to survive. It wants to express itself, and not just that , it wants to spread itself, reproduce itself, it wants to keep on going. Life just wants to live for the sake of living.
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Yea, it's the same problem with me , and I think with many people who watch his videos. We can't do much by knowing that the universe is our imagination. If the universe is our imagination, then why can't we stop the universe dead on it's tracks. Like I can imagine stories, I can imagine me flying over the hills and mountains, or fighting dragons and trolls, I can play out a story in my head, and then I can stop the entire imagination at once. So something similar should happen. Likewise, another 'property' of imagination is that everything should be popped out at will. I can imagine a forest coming out of nowhere, or there is a Lion in my room. It pops out in my imagination whenever I want to. But in reality that is not happening. Nothing is popping out at all. And likewise, if we are imagining, then why would we create immense suffering on ourselves? Why do many people die of terrorism, commit suicide due to abuse, cause extreeeeeeeme amount of suffering on themselves if it was all their imagination. The problem doesn't stop there , Leo says- "All of human history, is your imagination, if you don't think about it , it doesn't exist" Well, I am quite certain that I exist as I am typing this up lying on my bed, in my dell laptop, and I am also certain, that many people in the future will not be thinking about me, because I am no Caesar or Napoleon, so does that I mean I do not exist at all because the people in the future will not be thinking about me? Again it's absurd. I think Leo should use a different word instead of the word 'imagination', there should be a different terminology. May be 'dreaming unconsciously' ? May be we (the god) are unconsciously dreaming stuffs into existence, such that we (the living organism) suffers by ourselves? So I think, even if Leo says that we, or he is imagining stuffs, I don't think there is much he can do. He still doesn't have the power like law of attraction, he cannot become a billionaire by imagining he has a billion dollars and suddenly it manifests into existence. He can say 'the universe is our imagination' hundred times, but I don't think any thing even slightly new will happen. He still has to earn money, run actualized.org, eat food etc. He is exactly at the same spot he started from. All we can do is do the spiritual work, experience the spirit, and that's it, nothing more nothing less. Everything else remains the same. Exactly the same.
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Turquoise? Coral?
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'examples of these paths where people like suffering?' I only know some religious paths where people inflict suffering on themselves. - Spiritual practices in Buddha's time. Buddha almost starved himself to death to gain enlightenment. - Christians do self flagellation, whip themselves, as shown in movie Angels and Demons. During Black death, people would walk on the street . flagellating themselves to repent their sins. - Followers of jainism (for some reason) pluck out their facial hair by bare hands. I saw on TV. From their perspective, it is a pursuit for some higher form of liberation.
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I think most people in the french evolution era were not stage orange. A stage orange person would be a typical 21st century guy, who continuously works towards his goals, works up the corporate ladder, gets a job, has a family etc. But people like Louise VI , Robespierre, Danton, Desmoulin , Napoleon, these were very very violent people who killed people for ideals that they believed in Robespierre's reign of terror killed thousands of people anyone suspected of going against the revolution. They were all blue . They were not red like Gengis Khan, they were civilized people, but they were dictators who sought to maintain order in the state, and would kill millions to maintain their power. But their purpose was power, power through violence. I will say, Voltaire was orange. He was an athiest, he was against all forms of violence that religion would bring. But again he can't be green as he wasn't a peaceful man , or yellow because he was completely against religion, even Buddhism. He didn't understand religion. Rousseau was green whose ideas were not like that of the highly logical, and reasonable voltaire, but instead his writings gave importance to the heart and living according to nature. I think Goethe was also green (as in his book- Sorrows of Young Werther), but there is a chance that he may have been yellow, since he was not just a man of religion , but also a man of science ( which is demonstrated both by his life and his magnum opus- Faust. He was a poet, and a scientist who studied plants, minerals and theory of colors). I don't find many Turquoise people in 10-18th century Europe , but there are a number of saints like Saint Teresa of Avila, , Saint Francis of Assisi, Thomas Aquinas, Sergius of Radonezh whose biography look like they were full blown Turquoise. Side note - I also don't think being violent equates to being red or blue. Like I am sure that most soldiers in World War II , were not blue or red. Think of all those American and British soldiers, who fought in Normandy, against Nazis, who kissed their wives good bye, and went for war. I think they were orange. US , UK they were not theocracies. The soldiers also had a family, had wife, girlfriend, children, but they joined the war because of a sense of patriotism and duty. And if this is the case, then the question comes to me, was John of Arc Blue or Turquoise? Are religious warriors like, Krishna, Arjuna, Bhisma, Shaolin Monks, Samurais, Knight Templars, Jihadists, Crusaders, warrior saints, Blue OR Turquoise?
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Lets list out the examples of relativity. - Glass, half full half empty. - The same event may be good for someone , bad for others, it is relative. - The same art may be brilliant for some, bad for others. - The height of an object is relative to the speed with which you are moving in space. - Time is relative to the speed with which you are travelling. Time slows down if you move with speed ( Time dilation, Einstein's relativity) - Earth is stationary to us. Earth is moving round relative to Sun. Sun is moving relative to the galaxy. - Relative to our level of consciousness , the world may be dual , fragmented, materialistic to non-dual, all is one. - What we see depends on whether we are looking from our eyes, or from a microscope, or from a telescope. - How we see the world depends on whether you are an insect, a human, a monkey, a plant. - North pole , South Pole, East, West, it is all relative. - Large, Small, Up , down, left , right, it's all relative. - Color, blue , green , orange is relative. Some animals are even color blind. - The nature of a geometric figure is relative, whether we are talking from a euclidean or non-euclidean perspective. - The nature of matter is relative, in macro scales there are one set of laws of physics which do not work in the micro scales (quantum), giving rise to the huge problem in physics about the disagreement of relativity and quantum physics. - In a car when you are moving, stationary objects look like they are moving. If in a car you are moving, and you see a stationary object, then that means that object is moving relative to a stationary observer outside the car. - People hold different views whether political, religious, philosophical, it's all relative. - (According to Leo) Science is relative because the science of today isn't the same in the past and will change in the future. - The size of an object depends on where you look it from. Even a galaxy can look tiny from outer space. - Who you are? It depends whether the observer is your mom, your dad, your cousin, your dog, an insect, a bacterium. - There is an infinitely zooming in and out quality to the world and based on that world changes. When you continuously zoom in you go into the world of bacteria, which is completely different from our mammalian world. Like wise when you zoom out you are in a completely different world of planets, here the time scales are different, the size scales are different. The power sign in 10^x changes in these different scales. Physicists use different mathematics when working in these scales. - The nature of reality depends on your state of consciousness. - 2D perspective - Circles, Square 3D- Spheres, Cubes
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Causes of depression may include Biochemical cause like lack of serotonin Diseases like - Cerebral arteriosclerosis - Acidosis -Drugs - Neoplasms Genetics Stress, Mental trauma , Loss Treatment may include - Anti depressent drugs like- Tricyclic anti depressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, etc - Psychotherapy (This is just for information, not professional medical advice. For the correct treatment course , a thorough history taking, examination and investigation is needed which should be done by a professional doctor)
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The reality is that - Parents are also not perfect. In Hinduism, Vedanta culture Parents are compared to the gods. The idea is promoted in epics like Mahabharat ,all the scenes about the Pandavas respecting their mother , hindus moral stories etc The reality is that parents are also just like any people, they too have flaws, they may have any set of characteristics ranging from kind to cruel, peaceful to violent, And if you feel anger towards your father because of the things he did, then just know that it is normal. Sometimes parents can be stupid, they can do stuff that will hamper their child , and the child may have to fight against their parents, and do what is best for them, and after you get into a good position only then your parents might realize that they were wrong. Like Paulo Coelho's parents made their son go to the lunatic asylum. They forced him to become a lawyer which he didn't want to be. But despite all that he did what his soul yearned, went against his parents, and guess what? His parents were wrong and things went good for him. So if you are feeling anger against your father, it's okay. I will say that the eastern culture and society which puts parents at a very position is very unjust, and wrong. It has this wrong. Reality does not work that way.
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Ibn Sina replied to Michael569's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Since they are hard orange, you should have showed them this wikipedia article- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation Few points include - Increase in ability of for emotional regulation. - Increase in psychological well being - Increase in grey matter. - Reduced amygdala activation - Stress reduction And many more.. -
There are a group of drugs called chelators. Eg EDTA, which binds to the heavy metals and the complex is excreted from the body.
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@Michael569 I meant drug therapy. I know chemotherapy means using drugs to treat cancer but I thought chemotherapy also means using drugs to treat any disease. Mistake.
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Then the model needs to be updated. What is any stage of the spiral dynamics model really? It's a collection of attributes, which may or may not be common in multiple stages of the model. But each stage is characterized by a set of attributes/ characters. If you are open minded, look at multiple sources then you might be yellow. And if you have yellowish traits then I don't think you will have more red traits like close mindedness or stage blue traits, because they are mutually exclusive to each other. If an alien has such a mental constitution that it shows both yellow and bluish traits then the model won't work for them, and a new model should be developed for them.
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- General theory of relativity - Newtonian mechanics. - Watson and Crick's DNA model - Quantum mechanics - Darwin's Theory of Evolution - Copernicus / Ptolemaic model of the Cosmos. - Entire field of mathematics is model (I think). What do mathematicians, physicists and statisticians do? They look at the outside world and develop a mathematical model about them , and then they test whether their model is correct or not in the outside reality. - I think all religions (hinduism, buddhism, chiristianity , islams) and philosophies (metaphysics, existentialism, ontology, stoicism, cynicism, empiricism, rationalism) are models. There is a term called mental model which means - the mental model of someone is his idea about how something works. Basically people observe the phenomenon outside of them, and their minds develop a certain understanding about them how it works , and that is there mental model, which may or may not be consistent with reality.
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- Creativity is the mental faculty by which the mind forms new ideas by combining other ideas. - Creativity is the power that God possesses by which the entire world and the infinite phenomena and objects within it come into being.
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Thanx
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Thanx for your notes
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This was asked somewhere. The answer there was- A book about how to build a boat.
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I think what you need to survive depends on the environment that you are in. People like Charlie Chaplain didn't need a degree. Steve Jobs didn't need a degree. Thomas Edison didn't need a degree. Great Musicians and actors don't need a degree. Sadhguru or Osho didn't need a degree. But that doesn't mean they did less work they had less knowledge. They had like a triple PhD level knowledge in their respective field. Ultimately it is all about how you create value to the world , for which people will pay money to you in return in exchange of the value that you can offer. College is just a place where you can acquire knowledge and skills and be a much more valuable person, and you can trade the value you can offer for money. Do you live in a place where it is easy to conduct a business and earn money? Do you have a rich family from whom you can own property? Do you have special talent like music, comedy, acting, writing, beauty, directing etc, which you can sell to the world? And having them is also not enough, do you live in a place where such talents can be readily sold? If yes then you don't need a college degree. There are many other variables by which to decide whether you will need a college degree. But even earning a living from college depends on whether you will get a job from your degree or not. Answering your question- It depends whether you can manage food , shelter , clothing etc all by yourself while moving in a path to self mastery. You can't do yoga, meditation etc without food at your table. Most people here at actualized.org do have a job or a source of income. Buddha used to get food by begging door to door and in 3rd BCE India people considered such recluses holy and would easily offer them food and drinks, which now days may not be the case. I suggest you use Maslow's Heirarchy of needs and move from bottom to top.