Ibn Sina

Here is my new view about feminism which is mainly influenced by Shadowraix's post. I also realized what my problem was. I conflated the natural advantages of women (like having power of accusation , etc) with feminism, and I thought- they have these advantages (which is natural advantages which men also have, eg- no periods /pregnancy, not being judged by looks) and thought wanting further more with feminism is just for more power because they are already at advantage (but it's just natural advantage given by nature, yes they do have them, but still artificial injustices like wage gap etc is pushed upon them and feminism is about remedying that) Feminism can have a bad effect on men. (Again, I don't want a knee jerk reaction. Shadowraix also agrees that feminism can have it's dark side, my life experience (false accusation, boys getting punished in school girls not) confirms it, I know many MGTOW people who suffered due to getting their 50% of their wealth lopped off. So I am not going to say feminism has 0 bad effect on men. ) Feminism can have bad effect on men, but still it doesn’t mean that feminism is wrong just because unluckily some men get the bad side of feminism, it is not as bad as I used to think or as bad as what women have. Yes, it can have it’s dark side, but still it is important to bring women up. Yes, there might be some suffering in some men due to unluck and suffering due to the dark side of feminism, but still those suffering are not as bad as the pain of women, and not as frequent and prevalent as in women. Besides the case of unlucky MGTOW or falsely accused men , to a large extent nothing is stopping men from succeeding and living their life to the fullest. Feminism has never tried to undermine men. Feminisim is not about undermining men. Men getting accused , is not due to feminism, it is life. Women attracting mates easily is not due to feminism, it is life. . Yes women have those advantages, but still their rights are undermined in a legal context, artificial injustices is put upon them , and this is the problem. Besides, men also have natural advantages, it’s just a distribution of natural advantages of being born as a man or a woman. Being masculine is about working yourself up without pushing women down ,not being afraid of getting empowered by women . Again, the thing is whether feminism is pushing men down or not. 50% wealth? Nuptial. Accusations? It is life, not feminism. Jobs for women? May go under discrimination. And it is temporary. Your goal is , to be a man. To never face any injustices due to feminism. To make sure you are not undermined due to feminism. And just work hard and attain your goals. As long as you have kept the dark side of feminism at bay, you can help women get up too, that is real masculinity. Surely there are toxic women who can use their advantages to attack men, and men may inturn start to think of feminism as bad. The problem arises because of connecting toxic women with feminism. Yes, there are toxic women, yes women can have natural advantages like being able to attract mates more easily then men of same level of attractiveness (my problem was not resentment due to this, but my problem was women having this advantage and still wanting femininism. I know now where my mistake is. My problem was not never talking to women, but not knowing the artificial injustices pushed upon women in job markets, senates etc etc) can do or easily falsely accusing men and destroying his life, but still it has nothing to do with feminism. Even if women can have those natural advantages over men but it is not feminism, it is nature, it is life, it’s like men have the advantage of not getting pregnant, can protect themselves, don’t get judged on their looks, don’t get periods etc some men are unfairly more attractive then others , it’s the same with women, life is not fair some have it better than others, men also have advantages over women, women have some natural advantages over men, but still in many contexts women are deprived of rights and feminism is about addressing that. It has nothing to do with natural advantages. Which both men and women have. Feminism is not about underming men (50% property (nuptials, men have choice to not marry), false accusation (it’s not feminism but the vulnerability of women just like little kids have power in their accusation) , sucking up male jobs (which as shadowraix has said is wrong but its just to give women a push).

@Shadowraix This is what I call good logical , good discussion intended for learning and education, instead of insulting me with- you have never met a woman, women don't like you etc just because I told bad things about them and they being too dumb to give good replies to my genuine queries. Thanks for your time, and teaching me about these issues @Shadowraix

Ok I get your point. Yes, that's a great way to think about it, . It is an add on, you are going 1 step further, I will have to contemplate deeper about it. You definitely are also a logical type, so it's all good,

Okay. I also don't fully understand the situation.

But USA is not in that kind of society is it? People already know about human rights. Even if they(menninism, feminism) were removed, men and women are at even ground. So what's the need of it? Only if the pan balance was tilted should we raise voice, just like Simon de Beavoire, but now it's just powerplay. Of course oppression should be eliminated. And USA people know when there is oppression. Why not just act on oppression whenever it arises, instead of making menninsm and feminism. We need a universal law against oppresssions and injustices, that eliminates all kinds of injustices whether it arises against men or women.

You have your belief , I have my belief. You think what you say is true because you feel it and say it so, I feel it, and have evidence and that is why I say it is right ( we are talking about on average women are beautiful than men). I have done my research, you just believe that is wrong with nothing whatsover. Does it mean I am wrong just because you believe I am wrong. This is my belief, and so is your belief, and I can say you are wrong. Still, who is right? you or me?

"All life" And this type of work is creating MGTOW, men suffering double standards, jobs getting to women, etc. Have u suffered due to the opposite end of feminism? If men were not suffering, then it would be okay. But due to feminism, there have been artificial suffering in men. So I have always found 2 kinds of people. Those due to luck, haven't suffered due to feminism, and those who have suffered due to feminism. Those who haven't suffered, think that feminism is good, it's about rights of women just like surfingwave was saying they deny all the bad things about it (like men cheating on women while men go to war) , then there are other group of men who have , due to bad luck suffered due to feminism or they see the inequality in feminism. All life includes both men and women, you cannot sacrifice men and push women up. Again, I don't want people judging my character- you are saying this because you have had bad experiences with women, you haven't talked to women. Because that is not logical, that doesn't counter my arguements. The reality is that there have been men who have been disadvantaged and wronged due to feminism (like my early school years). Doesn't happen to all men. So from that perspective, feminism has it's evil side which not all men see, and it is creating unnatural suffering in men due to double standards etc etc. And there are arguements like- feminism is moving higher from stage blue, to orange , yellow ? Really? By depriving men of oppurtunities? By double standards? 50% property to women? What about , men also do your best, women also do your best, we are not restricting any of you with any laws, ready get set go, go to blue from turquoise as much as you want no one is stopping you. But the current western feminism (according to my understanding, which may be wrong) is- - 50% property to women. - Double standards eg Rape of males, not okay to fat shame women etc. - Job reserved for women although there is no restriction for men and women (may be this doesn't happen in US but I know places where this happen) So I don't think it encompasses "All life" as you put it. You can reply by talking about how feminism benefits men/is not bad for men. I am guessing you will be saying this is 'not due to feminism'. Then give me the answer to each of my points, what is the reason for the above 3 things that I have pointed out if not feminism. Teach me.

Here's my another question to all of you. Is there feminism in animal kingdom? Like Gorilla, Lions, Tigers, Bees. There is gender ineqaulity in all species. And everything works well. But we humans are too cerebral. We form laws to change the natural course of things itself. What's wrong with , just removing all meninisms and femininisms and do what we have to do? Why think- rights of men, rights of women? It's all because of our mind. It's similar to the aritificial stuffs that man has created that is destroying earth.

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HHHAHAHHA, Yes, very offensive to men. So what? I am also a man. But I have read many many many psychology papers, have had hours of experiences observing people, have read many posts in quora, and this is the educated opinion that I have formed. It's not like I wrote this just because I wanted to. I am also a truth lover. And my observations have shown this, so even if you think this is wrong, then it's your own opinion if that makes you happy. Good question. This is just experience gap. I have read many news papers, have read many such news (meaning the newspapers that I get). You haven't. That's why you don't have this opinion, I have. From my experiences this is what I have seen, you didn't have these experience. Ofcourse it's bit exagerrated, all I am saying is women cheat , when men are abroad and have heard hundreds of news like that. "Your descriptions of men being "just better" that is why they are CEOs needs picking apart, as this is rubbish. " "This is rubbish" is no arguement. I can also say that to you, whatever you say I say this is rubbish. You should say, this is rubbish because____. I have good reasons why most CEOs are males. Okay, ask them about what? Give me the questions and I will ask them. Just give me the questions dude, and I will tell you word by word what you they told. But it shouldn't be stupid questions like- Is it hard to live as a woman? Is it true that you are easily able to attract rich men, then men would if they were in your place? I know what they will say. But all my conclusions are derived from my observations and my life experiences. So it's should be a better question that can really teach me something that I don't know. A woman saying "Yes it is hard, it is hard to get a job, it's hard because we have to get child birth, " and doing the researches , and having the life experiences are 2 different things.

Of course it is a myth. So why feminism. That is why I said, nature should take it's course. Laws and ideas shouldn't be made that artificially try to push one over the other. Feminism doesn't create equality but inequality. It's basically the administration cutting off oppurtunities for men, giving space for women, so that they can come there, instead of fighting by tooth and nail like men do. So you are saying I never talked to a girl because I never heard about - ugly guys getting poor girls? Really? Basically you translated me saying0 Beautiful women have higher chances of getting a rich guy to- an ugly guy can't get a beautiful women. Really? Okay you can believe whatever you want about me , may be you feel better that way ,but that doesn't change a thing. All I can say is, you being judgemental does not scientifically push forward my arguements.

Then they are judgmental. Me saying- Beautiful women can get rich husbands is not a reliable indicator of my failure with women, Where I am from there are many poor beautiful women, who have suffered a lot. But may be , this is my perspective of the 'hot western women'. If you are saying 'hot western women' lack oppurtunities then, I guess that is my experience gap. I always used to think that, in the western context, beautiful women always have it easy. Am I wrong? In my 3rd world country, that absolutely not true. But is it not the case in western country? You can teach me. "Of course hypergamy is a thing. But this is a result of survival based mechanism and stage orange mentality. Lumping this with feminism is contributing to the distorted societal perception that I mentioned. " Okay, you might be right here. This is a debatable issue whether hypergamy has connection with feminism or not.

"95% never talked at a woman. " Okay, all of you guys tell me , give me the points that illustrate I haven't talked to a woman. Because I have. And I will tomorow and day after tomorrow and so on... Let see what made you guys think that. I am curious. Besides, I come from a place that it is women who are thought to have disadvantage. Here people do abortion if it is a girl. So it's not like I have resentment and think- women have it better then men. If you are saying- I have never been with an 'unprivileged' women then yes that may be right. I have only dated privelaged women, and may be that's why I am not seeing the inequalities.

I know the kind of responses that usually people say when I tell such things just because it sounds highly offensive and they cannot even refute with sound argument, and now you have to attack my own character instead of soundly refuting the arguements. @Odysseus If you want we can have a long long discussions, just don't attack my character saying- I doubt you ever had a girlfriend, just because I am talking bad about girls. I have resentment and so on. Because that is what people do, when you can't refute them with arguement you start to say- I doubt you ever had a girlfriend and so on. Why don't you say that to MGTOWs. I also talk to women every day and have a GF. Okay, I can reply to each of your arguement but what you can do is read my answer and give a refutation to each of them point by point and I will answer them. You saying- I have resentment , breaths and so on there's no need of thhat, has nothing to do with what I am saying. It's just shows you are offended, instead of logical. Just pick up all my points, point by point, and factually go on saying this is wrong because of ____ I also don't know many things, this is what I have seen from my point of view, if you can please change my view I would be happy, I also want to learn, just root it in evidence and scientifically refute me instead of saying if you have no girlfriend and so on. Here's the problem. I said- Beautiful women can easily marry rich guy , and you read- Women are such that they only want to marry a rich guy. They are bad. I never said that. I said according to what I have observed - hypergamy is a thing in women. There is it's presence in an unequal degree. U and I are disagreeing only if you are reject this. But I agree when you say- there are women who don't do that. So don't immediately jump to that.

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I have to disagree with Leo here. I have witnessed the evil of feminism. Eg- In my school, guys (more often than not) used to get punished instead of girls. One time a girl accused me of falling off her bag from the bench, the teacher believed in her and gave a stick to me. (equivalent to false rape accusation). Girls do hypergamy, there is more advantage to being a beautiful women then a beautiful guy. A beautiful girl can marry a rich guy, even can divorce him and get 50% wealth. Good looking guys do not have the same power. And still women want jobs, they are getting reserved seats for jobs, it is easier for them to get jobs. Men go to war and die, women enjoy and have sex. Here in my place, men go abroad and they even die, while women cheat on them. ( I know it is silly to send women to war, but still it doesn't mean it is not injustice or inequality. Why not women also suffer equally as men? I know, the top administration want a well disciplined army who will fight bravely and create the most efficiency in battle, but that is the point of view from the top administration, for a normal joe like me it's not about creating efficiency in the battle, if a conscripter comes to my home and says ' the emperor wants more soldiers' and he takes me away and my sister teases me , then I will be sad I want her to also go to the battle field and yes I know she will cry, she will urinate in the battle field scream aaaaaaaaaaaaaa with that high pitched voice that women make but still equality is equality suffering should be equal, a bullet is a bullet, both men and women feel the equal pain. They may run away like rats but they should also get bombed like men are getting bombed if we want equality between men and women. This is also a huge injustice and crime against men) Yes, for most of history men have dominated women, but right now this is not the case. ( exclude the undeveloped parts of the world) People like , Ben Shapiro etc say - man up! don't be a pussy! Just look at the above case, men accusing women and women accusing men, is this about manning up? Isn't there real inequality? advantage of beautiful women vs men, is this about video games , or being a pussy? No , this is real inequality. If we want equality, then there should be no gap in- men accusing and women accusing, there should be no , 50% off in marriage, there shouldn't be jobs reserved for women etc. These are all enforced inequalities that have come from feminism. The only inequalities that is there in the world should be- natural inequality. Like- yes, beautiful women may get hit on more than beautiful men, or women may always get more attention in the fashion industry then men. Men will be more atheletic then women. Nature should take it's course, if women could really fight, then they would also be at the top, like who is stopping them from being CEOs? Why do you think men are the most CEOs, the most leaders, the top 1000 chess players, football players, scientists etc? Because they are good at it. It's not because there are some laws that have barred women from being at the top, but because the genetic distribution in males is such that the extreme ends of IQ and talent are dominated by men (both geniuses and idiots are men). Likewise, the thing about female is that they are the more attractive gender. Men are not whining abut that, so why are women whining about not being at the top? It's their own fault. And we men need not trying to create injustices among ourselves by believing in such feminists. Men being at the top not the real evil or conspiracy. It's just how nature has taken it's course. What is real evil is making unnatural laws that makes men live unjustly and creates great suffering in the lives of men. Also, if you are a prevailed male, you will not understand what I am saying. You will go on earning tons of money, banging tons of chicks who are attracted to you for your money, ride in your ferrari, and see that there is no problem, but you will never understand how lucky you are, how your job is so limited and just by 'manning up' it is not possible to get the job that you are in, 'manning up' doesn't turn you into a Bill Gates or Justin Bieber or earn easy money from a website and solve all the problem, You will understand this only when you are in less privileged position and see inequality after inequality whether in job setting, social setting. Ofcourse I am not saying that women have it easy, but saying- feminism is all about equal opportunity, or it is something 'good' is wrong. It is pure evil and just a desire and excuse of women to get more and control. If I was a female, and saw that all the president were male, male sports star earn a lot, there are more male incels then female, I would understand each and every single one of them, and know that it is in natural. I know why males are the most president, and I wouldn't be thinking- because of male injustices bla bla, this are how they should be. There's no need for a feminist movement and if it is done, then it is only to increase my own power. Seriously, I am a female, I am beautiful, Men are attracted to me, I can marry a rich guy, I can easily get a job, we don't live in a society like in Handmaid's tale, if I can sing I will be successful like Ariana Grande, I can work hard and become a doctor engineer lawyer like any guy and earn same as him, or if I am dumb I can still work for sex or some guy will marry me because I am hot. So everything's fine, what more do I want? Why I should I go to the street and demand more with feminism? Because why not? I WANT MORE! Feminism was developed by the philosopher Simone de Beavoire who spoke for the rights of women, women who were really oppressed. But now in the west and some developed parts in asia, except for women and privileged males who don't have to struggle hard , this is just a power game for women where women just want more. On the other side are struggling men, they can't say- I will marry a rich women, they can't get a job because he is not a woman so his position is reserved for women and he is not a 1% genius or 1% lucky with connections so he is not competent enough to get the job, he gets accused by a woman and now he is in jail, he is molested by a woman and when he speaks they say 'man up you stupid', he is in an abusive marriage his wife abuses him he files for a divorce he loses 50% of his hard earned wealth. So yes, feminism is evil and unjust and it is due to evil women and privileged 1 % males who don't have to suffer.

This argument comes not from me but from the legendary philosopher Spinoza

@Aakash I don't understand what you are saying, what do you mean by - facets. You are saying-' if you want to awaken to the facet fried chicken.' Is there such a thing as - awakening to something or awakening to a facet? Isn't there just awakening. And again you say- awakening to the facet fried chicken means - mystical experience of it getting eaten. And you contradict yourself saying- I never said- experience , when you yourself are saying - mystical experience. "Some people are self love, some people are love (which are not even comparable at all) , some people are emptiness, some people are intelligence, some people are dualistic, some people are totally non -dualistic , some people are absolutely non-dualistic . " Again, I don't know whether what you are saying is true or not. 'Some people are love', no, people are bones , muscles, cartilages, love is an emotion. "All other awakenings are the same" and same= awakening to the facet x which means a mystical experience of x getting eaten. Let's say Buddha awakened, he had a huge 5-Meo DMT like experience. Now where does the thing about facet come in the picture? Did Buddha ever say in his sermons - I awakened to the facet fried chicken, I awakened to the facet diet coke. I am asking this because I am not sure, either you are just goofing around or you are a spiritual master. The rest of what you say about infinity, I agree.

I think responsibility is an illusion. There are just too many variables that influences what we do. I believe in Spinoza's determinism. We do what we do because of x number of reasons of which we may have no idea and we may think it may look like we may be doing it but in reality we have no control, we are just a series of impulses. To prove this all we have to do is follow the reasons behind our action, and we will see that there is an outside cause. The mentally ill person acts in a way that is off the normal standard human behavior, whereas normal people act in the normal way, but both are acting spontaneously. Responsibility implies there is someone who is a doer, there is a decision maker, but isn't the decision maker influenced from outside? The decision maker himself is influenced by many many factors which influences his decision. Micho Kaku in a bigthink vid said that Einstein said- Criminals are fated to commit crime, they are not responsible because from birth and their environment their fate has been sealed, but still they should be put in jail.

Okay, but what if we replace plants with mammalian and human bones. We send animal bones instead of plants. We could make a planet made up of calcium. Again, there is the question, whether it is possible to make infinite amount of calcium because of continuous reproduction and skeletons to outer space. I mean, even if dead human skeletons were sent to outerspace, humans could reproduce again, so the mass comes back, how would the mass of the earth shrink and the earth become inhabitable? I think I got the answer on my own. Skeleton means calcium, which is a nutrient in the soil. If we throw the calcium into outerspace, that means the calcium content in the earth is reduced. That means less calcium in the plant products, animals don't get their required amount of calcium so they get bone deformities hence become extinct and life forms cease to exist. At the end, it seems to show how much living beings are connected to the earth. If we transport living things and stuffs (dead or alive) away to outer space, we destroy the earth itself because the earth is not seperate from them earth is them. Given that the mass of a human skeleton is about 5kg, it's very difficult to make a planet that is of the size of the earth. Here's a back of the envelope calculation (just for fun, may not be strictly accurate) The mass of the earth is at power of 10^24 kg, so that is our goal. Let's say there was a world organization which decided that from now on all bones of dead people and mammals will be sent to outerspace. Also, let's assume birth rate and death rate are such that the human population no matter how much birth or death happens is steady at 8 billion. 8 billions humans *5 kg weight of skeleton ( = 40,0, 000,000,000 = 4 * 10^12. This is the rate at which every rocket launch adds to the skeleton planet. Assume that the world life expectancy on average is 70 years , so every 70 years plus 4* 10^12 mass is added. Our goal is to bring the mass from the power of 10^12 to 10^13. 10^11 * x = 10^12 So, x = 10 In 3 launches we get - ( (4 (1st launch) + 4 (2nd launch) + 4 (3rd launch)= 12) *10^12= 12 *10^12= 1.2 ^13. So in 3 launches we raised the power from 10^12 to 10^13. 3 launches means about 300 years (assuming an average human lives for about 80 years. If the mortality rate is high, the number can shrink) Our next goal will be to move from 10^14 to 10^15. In first case, the x was 10 so we reached there are at about 3 launches (3 *3 is 9) In next case x is 100, so we will need about 30 launches which means about 30,000 years. But how much time will it take to move from 10^23 mass to 10^24 mass of the skeleton planet? 10^11 *x= 10^24 , x= 10^24-11 = 10^13, 10^13 is the number that we have to reach , with every rocket launches that carry the mass at order of 10^11. In first case we could bring 10^11 to 10^12 in about 3 launches but now instead of 10, the x is 10^13. When we were working for 10^11 to 10^12, it was like ( (1st launch + 2nd launch + 3rd launch = 10) * 10^11), but now it is like ((1st launch + 2nd launch + ........ xth launch = 10^13)*10^11). 10^13/4 = The value of x (in the above equation) / The number that is added in every launch next to 10^11 =The number of rocket launches that brings the power from 10^23 to 10^24 = 2.5 *10^12 rocket launches, and remember that each rocket launch happens about every 100 years, so by this time the sun might have turned into a dwarf planet or something.

I have memories of people telling me stories of people having demonic possessions, mainly in my childhood days. 2 of them come to mind. The first was, that there used to be a woman in the street, who had made a following. If anyone used to ask her questions, she would answer the correct thing, and every single one of them came to be true. Like she predicted that a women's husband had gone abroad, how many daughters, sons she had, predicted the death of someone and it came to be true, correctly told the entire life story of someone's past. But the most horrifying story, and something that makes me unsure about whether it exists or not is of a story from one of my best friends who was a complete stage orange, non-superstitios person, good at studies and very scientific minded who never used to talk about any occult stuffs or of such kind except this one incident. In class 8, me, my friend , his sister and his sister's friend used to go by bus. My friend's sister and her friend were neighbhours. My friend told me, that one day, there was a gathering in his sister's friend's house (let's call her nikita). Nikita (she looks like an indian girl in face structure and dark in complexion) was laid down on the floor, her pupil were straight up, only the white part could be seen. She shouted, yelled in a scary way, like a witch. The witch doctor was also there, who tried to control her and told the spirit to go away, she shouted back to the witch doctor, until some spells were chanted and she was absolutely still. My friend said it was really really scary. I mean how could someone's voice and personality change so much drastically. She still used to go by bus, and I used to observe her, I can't see how she could be such scary like a real witch. While possessed She also spoke in sanskrit , a language that the real she doesn't know.My friend said- I think there really is such a thing as demonic possessions. I think it was real. Really real. He saying that was something like- Richard Dawkins started talking about enlightenment and spirituality. He and I are still friends, we are in fb, he is an engiineer, he has never said something like that again, it was something he witnessed, he told me, and that's it so I don't think there's any element of prank or anything like that, and with years of friendship I know he is an honest guy. Nowdays as a medical student I connect it with some mental illness, may be she had some multiple personality disorder or epilespy or something. But still I am unsure. Why would she do that? Doing that just brings loss after loss, there would be disgrace in family, there is monetary loss due to witch doctor, no one would marry her and so on. So I am unsure. So what do you guys think, do you think it's real?

what if an enlightened person gets mental illness like schizophrenia- they begin to hallucinate sounds and images suddenly. or they get Obsessive compulsive disorder, Multiple personality disorder, or Alzheimer's etc

#True story So here's the thing. There is a beautiful girl (objectively). We used to talk with each other, text each other. But we were not that close, we only used to text, but not really talk face to face often ( it's a long story). In 2018 may, it was our semester practical exams. She sent me a one liner text asking for help about some medical slides. I helped her , and gave her 10 liner answer showing that I care her and love her. She sent message for 2 consecutive days. The semester exam ended, 2 days after that I saw the messages and found that she had sent many messages. My huwaei mobile sent the notifications late. I apologized to her for not replying to her. She stopped replying. I believed and accepted that she broke up with me. Months past by, days past by, we didn't speak. Then a few months back, when I was sitting alone in class she came and talked to me. I gave her a few worded answer. Again few months past by. And It happened few days ago. After college I went to a near hotel to eat, she was also there with her fat ugly friend. We made our orders at the counter, and she went to one corner, and I went to the opposite far corner. We had our meals, and as luck would have it , she and I went finished our meal and went to the counter exactly at the same time. Her fat ugly friend was in the middle and we were beside her. And then it happened. She said to me " How are you?" She smiled, laughed , was very happy to see me. We had a chat for 5 mins. At the end I said to her "Stay happy" with a smile. With a big smile, half laughing, looking down she said "Okay okay" Later that day, with my mother, I told her she (her name) talked to me. For unknown reason, my mother , father and brother say, she talked to you only as a friend, she doesn't like you, she is only talking you as a friend. I mean , why are they so negative? And more over, why should they immediately say that she doesn't like me, she only sees you as a friend not a lover, when all I said was- she talked to me? I know that guys tend to immediately think that the girl likes him if she talks to him, but I am not that type of guy. But again, why be so negative? It could be anything isn't it? May be she talks to me as a friend or because she really likes me. I haven't asked to her do you only like me as a friend or as something more? Nothing has been confirmed, but my parents are immediately saying- she only likes you as a friend. Again, it's so stupid and it makes me angry. Why if a girl talks to me , it's immediately about whether she likes you or not, but if a guy talks to me, then it's nothing. I think both should be treated the same way. Girl should also be seen and thought as any guy friend. There shouldn't be great fuss just because a girl and guy talk. And if a girl and guy talk, then until it is confirmed, there is both the possibility that it may be friendship or love until it is confirmed. But my parents immediately develop negativity saying she doesn't like you. What if that girl thinks - Why doesn't this guy get the signs that I like him? Isn't it obvious by now? Why are guys so autistic? Or may be she thinks- I will make him think I like him, but then later I will surprise him with a friend zone Or she may be just liking me as a friend. All I am saying is, until questions are asked and things are confirmed, my parents should not immediately say she doesn't like you, when it is she who is talking with me, and not the other way around. Some may say my parents are just preventing me from getting rejected and having false hope. The thing is, I have never told them that I like her. All that they know is that we talk, but I talk with my guy friends too, but my parents already assume that I love her. The reality is that I don't like her that much, I have no hope of any relationship with her. I could give 30+ reasons that makes it impossible to be with her. But when I say- she talked to me, they say she doesn't like you, as if they think I want her and I already have hopes for her.

@Everyday my pleasure. But I posted it to deal with my own problems.

@Natasha Thanks. This is something I always needed but I wasn't aware that I needed it. I relate with every point he makes