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@Joseph Maynor You think he is too polite, or what? Like too devote to existence or something? His teachings are crystal clear I think.

Here's a proof of his humor and his love for laughter! This is really great, I come back to this one very often. It's not what your looking for, but anyway, you might enjoy it as much as I do!

@snowleopard

Hehe, you said it as a joke of course, but it's in fact true. You carry your self with ease, never positioning yourself or bother to change other people opinions or care about your reputation. You're just a humours low key kind of guy with deep connection with life, just as Dodo. But the world or this forum doesn't really care, or notice, it's the drama that caught attention. That's just how it goes. It's perfect the way it is I guess!

@Shanmugam I think it goes like this.. Stop assuming things about people, unless it's Shanmugam that assuming things about Sadhguru, then it's ok.

Can the very activity to be here at Actualized.org forum and discuss be a spiritual activity? I think it can. If you compare to a soccer game, where real life with love, happiness, peace etc, belong to the playing field, the game itself so to speak.. ..and thoughts/knowledge/mental masturbation belong to the substitutes' bench You get that metaphor? Do Actualized.org/forum with all its threads belong to the playing field or substitutes' bench you think? I really enjoy it here, so I think it's "spiritual" To be here and discuss can very well be a part of life after enlightenment, right? Or will the interest falls short you think?

Agree!

Osho said something very interesting about this.. ..he said that the process of discover, discuss, and argue is spiritual as long as you are empty of knowledge, and drop all knowledge that comes your way at the very same time you gain it. He viewed knowledge as something that flows through you, it shapes you, but the knowledge never stays with you. Like waterfall over a stone, the stone never collect any water, but it let it self to be shaped by it. Therefore, it's a spiritual activity to be here and enjoying the threads if you manage to do as Osho said. But if you have old knowledge to defend and persuade others with. And desire to gain more knowledge(ego), then it's not life, its dead! COMPLETELY DEAD! (IMPORTANT) Those who are the most innocent here, those who never correct anyone based on knowledge they are fully alive as they participate.

@Shin You're in the "NoFap" thread and swinging again? I bet you are a naughty one just facing some inner dissonance. Nothing can compare to a proud fap! It shouldn't be a quilty pleasure!

I agree! I'm not a good story inventor, I just made it up as I wrote it! Feel free to change it, it's an open source story, let's say. I just think it's beautiful how the VERY same "infinite awareness" can mean two different things, to a child there is something promising about it, the leafs in the tree sing the song of the childs future. But to an old wise man the leafs sing the song oneness, interconnectedness! But the awareness itself, that mystical profound, yet utterly simple experience never change. There is no such thing as "higher" awareness. Awareness can only be clouded temporarily (or a whole life if you choose to) by thoughts and other mind activities trying to manipulate reality.(But reality always stays the same)

The question refers to "solipsism", if you read about it you will get familiar with all arguments linked to the subject of interest.

@Monkey-man Enlightenment is a powerful thing. It's almost too powerful. You can't be enlightened and just live! You are simple not allowed to do that. Societies dissolve in the light of truth, joy, laughter and love. Osho never worked on developing mediocre traits in order to be enough harmless for the world. Tolle worked on his whole physical appearance in order to let it shine with mediocrity. The world won't harm that body no matter how much truths that come out of its mouth.

@Joseph Maynor His beautiful hands.. just look at them and you got all the wisdom and truth right there, without one single word! Speaking of WORDS.. ..Osho stated over and over and OVER again that there were no truths to his words. His words were there for you to listening to what's between them. Here's a famous quote from the "all cores are one core-series", spring 1976 "Truth is only in the silence between my words, but you won't listening to that unless I give you words, that's the ONLY reason I spoke to you. My words have no truth to them per se. You will laugh at me when you find out. That's my goal here, to get you to the place where you laugh hysterically at me for the nonsense I speak" You see what he meant by that Joseph?

@Outer Rings true, tnx!

What a stupid response! Didn't you see he put his heart into this! I will read this very carefully. This will provide some great value for me, that hit me from the very first word I read. And I will share it! Thank you so much @BlindedWantsToSee

What's all the noise about him being a fraud? I like McKenna as well, even though I don't care much about teachers! But from time to time, I hear things like he was just a business. He hide his identity they say. And his message was not for free, it was for him to earn some bucks to live the happy life(as ego) That's just bullshit I guess?

I love when people are themselves. No matter what opinions or intentions people have, I support them, as long as it doesn't harm other people. After all, you can't get to know a person if you don't let him/her be exactly the way he/she likes. I think people are fascinating and I'm always curios when I meet new people. The more they differs from me, the more interesting they are often. Openness, transparency and love are natural in any meeting. But many people also seek some kind of control over others? But why?? Isn't the burden to have power over oneself enough?? Why power over others? How can people see that as something they like to gain or posses? Its madness, isn't it? I mean, power, control? What to do with it? That can never increase ones love and freedom. Rather the opposite, if you chain others to yourself, you also chain yourself to them. By power and control over others, there is always something to defend, always subtle threats. I do my best to give up power and control over myself just for love and freedom reasons. But most people go the opposite direction. Not only they are satisfied with control and power over themselves, they want ever more power and control, over others?!?! Utterly bizarre and impossible to understand? So, why is this? Why do people want to become puppet masters over their fellow beings?

I hope no one will made that trade for you! That will severely affect my happy mood here. Wait, that means I haven't transcended my ego?

I think the very concepts of unconditional love, infinite love and such are way more profound and beautiful then the very raw experiences of it. Just look at the beautiful letters that makes the whole conceptual thing... INFINITE LOVE Now that has qualities way beyond any experience behind these concepts and words of sheer beauty. Therefore, this is a great thread, better then all love and beauty in the whole world all together.

@Faceless Extremely obvious how it works in me. I had so much control in life when I didn't seek for it, almost as my intuition or sub conscious took care of everything automatically. Then(for no reasons) I try to be more like other people and "control" my life for real. I start thinking and manipulating my reality and surrounding to have the control or become a "real" adult so to speak, only to find I lose control by aiming for control. Crazy, I though something was wrong with me because I WASN'T worried, as if I was too happy or free. I think love and intuition guided me. But somehow I thought this might not be conventional way of living. Maybe this is too much of a youth lifestyle, I should be more responsible or get more character(angry) like many in my age start developing. But I only lost control and innocence and compassion from trying to change and get power or mastery over my self and others. Stupid! You see what I'm saying here Faceless?

A wise man who spent his whole life in spiritual communities finally reached enlightenment. That man, now in old age went back to the streets of his youth! He walked the very same street he use to walk after school, the birds were singing in the same way, the air was blowing in the same way making the leafs of the trees sound the same way. He noticed his consciousness was the VERY same as when he was a boy, it was the exact same existential awareness. For one milli second he ask himself.. What, nothing changed, my consciousness is not higher, not more pure then it once was in my youth. Shall I be disappointed? Did I waste my whole life with all this spiritual non sense? The very next second, it hits him. Well, there is actually one thing that differs. In my youth, I thought there was MUCH more to this. Now I know there is NOTHING more to it. He continued to walk.. slowly.. tears went down his chin. He burst out to tears. Almost as if his heart couldn't handle all the bliss and beauty although there was sadness to it as well. Which one state did you prefer, one man asked him, although it was the exact same conscious experience. The state when he thought there were much more to it as a kid, or the state of today when you know there is nothing more to it? He answered - I prefer it the way it happened, I never raised any consciousness, never find higher awareness. It was always infinite. My spiritual journey only added another interpretation of it. And if that interpretation went from "This is nothing, to this is everything, what more can I asked for?" Do you understand this metaphor Emre?

Did you mean "Let's do honest mental masturbation?"

@Monkey-man Great insights right there! Tnx man!