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“every pleasure's got an edge of pain, pay your ticket and don't complain”

“All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie.”

“Some times I think this whole world Is one big prison yeard Some of us are prisoners The rest of us are guards”

“We sit here stranded, though we're all doin' our best to deny it”

“Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift - look out out kid, they keep it all hid”

“When I listen to people talk, all I hear is what they're not tellin' me.”

“..my father was the best man in the world and probably worth a hundred of me, but he didn't understand me. The town he lived in and the town I lived in were not the same.”

“What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.”

“Funny, how the things you have the hardest time parting with are the things you need the least.”

“People talk about egos as if it were objects.”

“Definition destroys ... there’s nothing definite in this world”

“We are so scared of losing everything that doesn't mean anything.”

“I think of a hero as someone who understands the degree of responsibility that comes with his [and her] freedom.”

“I am against nature. I don't dig nature at all. I think nature is very unnatural. I think the truly natural things are dreams, which nature can't touch with decay.”

“reality has too many heads”

Monks live together, with culture and ranks of social status as a result. Same with all teachers out there who live with and are "above" their adepts. Osho had the bagvan community where people had some sort of culture to control each other. Is herd behaviour inevitable, no matter if you are enlightened or not?

@tsuki Hehe, how did you find this old thread? Great clip btw, tnx!

To me, with higher awareness comes openness, love, friendliness and altruism. But sometimes you must be though in life in order not to be controlled or overrun. Can you live a life always compassionate or is there a contradiction here? The body-mind(that you are not) need some thoughness to survive in and comfortable way, but enlightenment inspire you to surrender all of that. Elaborate.

Interesting! There is some rebellious behaviour that goes in to real enlightenment. To be completely compassionate all the time to all people is to be a vegetable, and that has nothing to do with enlightened behaviour, rather the opposite.

Ah, thanks! Somehow it felt awkward when I wrote it, lol. Anyway, broken English is my signum I guess, it give me some swag. Sometimes, good things can come out of that which is not perfect in the realm of measurement of the mind. Just as compassion, humor, coolness, love and intuition often transcend what is "perfect" and goes beyond that which the mind pick up. But you know all of that, I know for the very first time that you were an emotional genius. Be happy for that, because emotional qualities are intuitive gifts in some sense, you can't learn or train those skills to any high degree. I love to read your posts here, your low key nature, the warm and relaxed attitude shines in everything you wrote. You always cover the important topics of Jordan Peterson and IQ! You're a cool guy @Outer , keep it up!

I guess it has to do with my history with them as well. I was always the diplomatic one, and I have played a role that I don't like, that has nothing to do with me I feel. It's like I'm kidnapped psychologically and can't break free from that role. I use to have social fobia and that is very much build in to the relation I think and how they view me. But I feel I have nothing to do with that either really. There is a psychological trap somehow that I contributed to build up during the years. I am very sensitive and like everyone to feel good and seen. But in the end that only lower my self esteem. My family are caring and very capable, all of them have good works and are respectable. But they don't treat each other as respectfully and sensitive as I like. Love feels little bit silly together with them. To me love is everything. I feel a little bit pathetical I guess. They are never mean or anything, it's just that love/relationships are not that holy as it is to me. They are materialists I guess, nice houses and cars, good jobs, always well cleaned, fine clothes. That's more important then what one feel about one another. To love and the feeling are essential and the other things are important after the first criteria is met. I like to view everyone as infinite important and respectable, I can't stand the smallest gossiping. The human values doesn't feel that important to them, but they are friendly and never mean of course. It's just my sensitive nature that seem to loose all energy when spending time with less sensitive people, unless it's just random contact with a stranger of a colleague at work that I have no ties to in my private life. I like to only have sensitive people in my private life, that understands that love and the human value is more important then anything else. So you see what I mean? What is great and holy to me are nothing of importance to some people, and I tend to have huge integrity towards such people, and only like to open up with people that share this understanding.

So many threads, so many words, so much experimentation with psychedelics, so many tips on gurus to follow, so much meditation and self enquiry! But tell me, anyone here fully enlightened? Anyone here that claim to be enlightened? Leo is great, but still never arrive it seems, always experience some total New and mindblowing stuff that outshine all prior experiences and Then shoot another episod with the same words over and over again - "it's infinite", "full circle" "no difference beteen life and death" and in the end he admit he's not enlightened yet, But This was by far, by far the deepest shit he had experienced so far. And Then it goes on repeat, few weeks later he experience yet again the deepest shit ever, and Then yet again an episode of "full circle" and "it's all one" But still - surprise surprise - he is not enlightened yet! All truth in the world adds up to one big lie!

Exactly, and that is why I like to break up with my family. Not that I don't love them. I do. I just don't like that this attachment is a part of the family-ties. No matter if I no longer feel attachment, I know that they do, and there will be something projected upon me. Or at least it will not feel completely natural as in a meeting with a stranger, it's all voluntarily, no games, no unnecessary small talks or pushing the other around according to agenda/will. But letting go is not a problem for me, but it creates outer disturbances, so how to handle that? People say it's ego to break realtionship, but to me it feels like I have to be an ego to relate to them, act a role, a person that is. When I am resting in intuition, I'm indifferent to my family members, it feels like we speak different languages, that's how different we are. They are great though, I love them. But my true self has nothing to say or offer them and nothing to gain either. That will be acting from my side. Is it spiritual to continue that acting? My parents always say, just be who you are, we want you to be yourself, but if I am, I have no interests in spending time with them. So spending time with them involves acting on my end. That's an issue I don't know how to solve.