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@Nic Terpstra Therefore God and the devil are one. From God's perspective, of course. From the devil's perspective, God does not even register.

P.S. Let's not not derail this thread any more. If you would like to respond, please consider starting a new thread and tag me. I'll be glad to discuss!

Sounds impractical...

1) "But that's all they are - states of consciousness" - define that. I don't think you know the full meaning of "states of consciousness." 2) No, not "obviously an escape from reality." Why do you get to call your experience of reality True? Why is your experience more Truthful while his is somehow a fantasy? Citing "drugs!" is insufficient. People have profound enlightenment experiences sober. How do you explain this? More hallucinations? What, so all profound experiences that other people have are fake, but your experiences are what's actually real? Why do you get to make that exception? 3) Consciousness isn't "going on locally" anywhere. Location is a model you use to describe phenomena. A mental projection. By relegating consciousness as something within a relative model, you further show that you have no clue as to what "consciousness" is. 4) Why does the "natural world" get priority over Leo's hypothetical "hallucination?" Your "natural world" itself is your own hallucination. No difference. You just don't see that because of your impatience. Notice how in every single critique you mount, you are prioritizing your own experiences as somehow more True? You have this notion of what "real reality" is. What we are all telling you here is that you have investigated this not nearly enough. 5) Leo is not going to use any "counter-arguments," lol. He is not in the business of arguing. Fancy this: he has been in your shoes and beyond, and he is sharing what he has learned. You have only been in your own shoes and not his, and you are the one pointing fingers. And you really have the audacity to call Leo the arrogant one?

@dude Damn, your editing is fantastic. What program do you use? Would you say there was/is a mastery curve to learning editing?

@Surfingthewave @possibilities Holy SHIT how long did that take you to write?? This video should answer your questions: In the future, try to keep your points precise and short; that makes it easier for the reader.

@Surfingthewave Me being male and you being female is irrelevant. I would have said the same thing to Leo if he wrote the things you did. It's good that you're expressing your views. My intention was to simply point out your potential blind spots. I hope it's clear that I'm not attacking your personhood. It would be unwise to dismiss these insights. If my tonality was unnecessarily harsh, or you felt like I mischaracterized you, I sincerely apologize. That happens to be some of my blind spots

Going through this myself. Learn to love it, haha (literally). It's absolutely central to life. There's no getting rid of it, though you can try to ignore it. Key word: try Be curious. Wonder, "why empty?" It's not an accident that we feel this way.

Not sure what your question is...

@Surfingthewave The thread started with the question of why sexuality is so moralized. The answer to that was survival, and cultural norms were cited as examples of survival. You seem to really be against these cultural norms, as you keep bringing up that alternatives exist. Yes, of course alternatives exist. And nobody said the current cultural norm is the right way to structure things. Nobody here is encouraging unconscious norms. We are merely stating that they exist. This has nothing to do with acceptance. Do you recognize that these norms exist? Well, if you do, there's not much to do beyond that. You seem to want to do something about it. Norm is defined as: "something that is usual, typical, or standard." A synonym for it is "average." Who are you to demand that the minority be the norm? Do you see how you are injecting your own needs and wants into your questions? Maybe look into that. If your question, then, is "why survival?" then make that explicit. Survival goes deep. Very, very, very, very deep. It's not merely a matter of having food, shelter, sex, and comfort. It's about who you think you are and maintaining that. You are clearly underestimating survival.

How is this ignorance? What makes you think he's criticizing from below? You realize it's fair game to criticize from above.

I recall this, yes. In my opinion, it's a gross bastardization of spirituality though. Even though they stepped out of the rationalist stage orange paradigm for 1 minute, they undermined the whole thing by having Rick shoot the guy and learn nothing from the experience. They essentially dismissed it as hallucination and used the "union of souls" as a means to make rick's killing funnier. Not that any of it matters. Like Leo says, don't get seduced

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Oh boy. Ok yeah that's a problem First of all, can you see why that's a problem? We can't have a conversation unless we agree on that haha.

I love this. Yes, yes, and yes. It's worth studying the unconsciousness of most "love" simply to not personally fall into this trap. Nothing's wrong! I was merely saying that "raising consciousness" indeed mends almost everything there is that you could call "problematic." Is that not fascinating? A universal band-aid with a 100% success rate! Don't take it for granted, this is worth pondering.

Among a slew of other nasty, subterranean (unconscious) personal reasons. But speaking from a rational and biological viewpoint, yes.

@Manjushri Everyone was drunk in Plato's Symposium soulmates are a lie! But yes to be blunt, you are slowly creeping into codependency, as you suspect. This is nothing to fear, however. If things get real nasty, start a new thread haha. Until then, I wouldn't worry about "what if I'm codependent." That's unnecessary anxiety. If you catch yourself feeling lonely, really buckle down on YOU. What do you love? Independent of this girl? Surely you have passions.

I think you actually know the basic answer - you mention fear, which I think is spot on. To take it a step further, wonder "why fear sexuality?" One way to perhaps understand this fear is to inspect your own personal fears. If you can understand how and why your personal fears manifest, you can understand a lot about how most of the world operates as well. Overall, really solid insights. It's shocking how many problems are solved under the umbrella solution of "raising consciousness."

Same with me. I followed RSD for a good year before running into Leo through "recommended videos" on Youtube. Something clicked in me and I stayed with Leo ever since. Ironically, I rarely watch pickup content anymore My biggest frustrations are distractions. EVERYTHING I do is a distraction (to varying degrees). And I know this. And I do it anyway. It doesn't help that I'm a college student. The environment and culture is not very friendly toward seekers. Depends on what you mean by "tree" "falling" "sound" and "perceiver" >:) The answer is: yes; no; yes and no; inexpressible; yes and inexpressible; no and inexpressible; yes, no, and inexpressible >:) I'm sure you knew this already

why does he look old in all of these haha were the images altered

I love you

Try this album, and tell me it's "low consciousness" https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLstDyV1EjcNK7tprs6LKlgw967tVJuusF Here's my personal favorite:

@Nahm I wonder if non-dual advice is really the best in this situation. I considered it, but it's just too unrealistic to encourage the realization of "I am not my suffering" while you are bound to an unconscious partner. First dissolve that bond (the bond is ultimately in your mind's eye anyway, there is no reality to it) and then pursue awareness. Best way to dissolve that bond? Break up The mind is so tricky that unless you physically end the relationship, it'll convince itself that it is conceptually "dissolving of the bond" while maintaining deep unconscious attachment. Sounds like a recipe for suffering honestly.

Yes, of course conscious women exist, lol. Nobody is denying that. Like I said, These are GENERAL statements. Don't act as if they apply to any individual man or woman. Nonetheless, I am able to make these general statements due to personal experience and consensus. When's the last time that you as a woman had a parade of people (of any gender) cheering you on for having sex? If that's ever happened - wow! awesome. But I doubt that's your everyday experience. For men, it's not so strange for this to happen. We group together and PLOT about sex. We encourage and celebrate it (in very toxic ways, of course. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do). Many people will confirm this double standard. Just look around. 1) Yes, yes he does. Because our culture has a double standard. 2) Yes. You're absolutely right. These values are all relative constructs and one day they will be extinguished. I'm not encouraging these values... I'm merely observing that they exist. I understand if you have a problem with these values. But it doesn't seem accurate to pretend that the culture around men's sexuality and women's sexuality are the same... which you seem to be arguing for? I'm not so sure. I'm curious. What "work" do you think is necessary?

I see. I agree with @Elisabeth that you should not be worrying about purpose right now. So you know what you want - what's stopping you from achieving them?