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That's revolting. I'll keep my polarity, thanks.

Correct through and through. And that's okay! God/Consciousness will always have your back, has always had your back, and is-having your back right now. God's script has no errors. When the attachments and identifications of your numerous lives all burn away into the abyss, that is known as Love. Terror = Love. Your Love dwarfs "potential repercussions" You got this!

And that's okay!

Surrender, my friend

@shree I made up my mind that I'm simply going to die. I said "I love you" to my mom, my friends, all of that. There's no more "buts" or "ifs." Time to die. Going into it with firm conviction renders fear unnecessary. Having a personal ritual helps, as opposed to haphazardly ingesting.

@SamC looks like we have some catching up to do

You need a fundamental identity-level change. Become a person who is at-ease. Anxiety is simply not in your lexicon. This is possible by: fixing your physiology and hormones through proper nutrition building character by putting yourself in novel real-life situations and surviving them doing psychedelics to reconnect with infinity

Material girl ??

Agreed!

Gotta love the truth more than you love human life man. That's the bottom line for Leo.

@Lila9 If you live on or near the equator, fair enough. But many of us live in harsh winters where "conscious local grown plants" is not a valid option year-round. Veganism in certain latitudes REQUIRES genocide-fields and mass transportation. It seems certain people can "get away" with avoiding meat entirely. For every vegan "failure" story (including my own), there seems to be a self-described "thriving" vegan elsewhere. So whether or not meat is "mandatory" can be very personal. As someone who performs and feels a thousand times better with meat than without meat, my personal paradigm is as such: Meat has historically been and thus still is to this day the "natural" diet of humans. Some humans based on genetic adaptations are able to deviate from meat without much consequence. Others will be throttled by their biology if they deviate from meat for too long (even this is God's Plan, somehow...) My friend Jason personally knows a woman who was vegan for 37 whole years before the physiological backlash "finally" caught up to her (brain fog, depression, various failures in her body, etc.). She now eats meat and all of her symptoms are gone. I believe stories like this ought not be dismissed. I really appreciate you. I encourage you to continue to speak your truth while generously considering the other side of the coin, which is everything I've presented here. I will of course do the same do the same with respects to your points. I believe strongly in my current opinions, but by no means do I have the full truth.

Correct. There are many """evils""" in this world that I myself seek to expunge. For example, I believe that industrial seed oils (aka hydrogenated vegetable oils such as canola oil, soybean oil, sunflower oil, etc.) are the primary driver of chronic disease and metabolic dysfunction (mental health issues too) in modern humans. If this ego had God's magic touch, I would "poof" all seed oils out of the food supply chain entirely in the name of alleviating suffering. But of course there is a trade-off. If I deleted seed oils overnight, there would be global economic collapse and famine, seeing how this is a multibillion dollar industry firmly rooted in every single developed country. To take down such a behemoth, humanity would have to work together to gradually undo decades of corruption & sickness. I imagine you think similarly, but replace "seed oils" with "animal consumption." Because it is highly likely that you are foolish and myopic. How do you actually know that eradicating animal farming will actually result in increased net benevolence? Your best educated guess from your current viewpoint says so, but the ego does not see infinite steps ahead the way God does. As God you designed the human body to be extremely compatible with digesting animal flesh for nutrients. As God, you manifested hundreds of thousands of years of human ancestral history in which animal flesh (organs, bones, and blood as well!) was prime sustenance. The cycle of life, of one being dying for another, is baked into MILLIONS OF YEARS of biological evolution. In fact, this is a metaphysical/cosmic principle. If you are indeed vegan, even you must accept this as you consume the life of plants, believing that you are being greatly benevolent. The only reason you think nothing of your plant consumption while you condemn animal consumption is because one resembles your human self more. It is pure bias and actually, selfishness. I am open to this suggestion but my instinct is to be skeptical. Our technological advancement far outstrips our advancement in consciousness and wisdom. For example, as incredible as phones are, they enslave the majority of us in 2023. And I only see it getting "worse" from here. I don't see the solution to any of our woes being more technology. Rather, returning to "nature," that is, eating, sleeping, moving, acting as humans have for thousands of years prior to being enveloped in unfamiliar food, lights, obligations, motionlessness, etc. will heal and remove pathologies. More specifically, if every human being switched to beyond burgers instead of animal flesh today, I suspect we would all be sick and infertile and the human race will literally perish within 3 generations (even if you or I remain unscathed for 20 years, what of our descendants?). Are researchers and scientists and activists and vegans accounting for this when they believe they've found triumph over meat consumption? And again, "moar better technology" is just spinning our wheels in place. Beyond burger v2.0 or even v69.0 is all lunacy. Lab grown meat is lunacy (this is precisely the kind of invention to give us cancer 50 years later, and 100 years too late scientists will "discover" we had been poisoning ourselves all along). Let's eat regeneratively raised cattle like our ancestors. Our minds, bodies, the soil, the grass, and even the cows themselves will heal and benefit from this. Industrial slaughterhouses are lunacy. But the vegan agenda (eradicate the need to raise any animals?) is also lunacy. I agree. I'll reiterate that industrial slaughterhouses, the mass shipment of sunlight-deprived animals crammed tightly together in cages after being fed copious grains and wastefoods is peak human madness. We can work to restructure the systems that govern the production of our animal products. But to eliminate animal consumption alltogether? This is where I find you "arrogant." It's like you (from what I've seen you argue here) and all vegans actually think that you can bypass the cycle of life which you yourself as GOD built into the human condition! Have you heard the argument that the vegan diet actually kills more sentient lifeforms per human than the carnivore diet when you zoom out in perspective? I'm not saying this is the objective truth, but as an ex-vegan this argument really put me in my place. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Let's say I eat 3 pounds of beef every single day for a year (That's quite a lot. I personally wouldn't do this, but I'm just arguing as if I were a strict carnivore). That's 365x3lbs (=1095lbs) of beef in 1 year. THAT'S 3/4th OF A SINGLE COW (cows are roughly 1,300lbs on average)!!! If I got my meat from my local butcher who raises his 100% grass-fed cattle on his regenerative farm, I'M NOT EVEN KILLING A WHOLE COW IN ONE YEAR. But the vegan? Oh boy. Ohohoho. A single salad with fruits and veggies that are seasonally inappropriate (I mean how else would I even get my cucumbers & avocado in the northern hemisphere winter lol), just imagine the massive cargo ship imports of these plantfoods. And how were these plants produced? Massive amounts of wildlife were ravaged and repurposed to be crop fields. To make tons of soybean yield you have to obliterate entire habitats and ecosystems. So many rodents and insects and trees murdered to satisfy the vegan's self-righteousness. So I'll reiterate: the vegan diet likely kills MORE SENTIENT LIFEFORMS PER HUMAN than a (thoughtful) carnivore diet. I know you may be thinking: "But don't you know the animals are fed copious grains and plants? The argument you just made against vegans backfires on the carnivores too!" ...which is why I stress that where and how you source your meat matters. Animals are actually not meant to eat grains or corn or soy lol. Ruminant animals (cows, bison, deer, elk, etc) eat GRASS. Poultry like chicken and pork eat grubs, insects, etc. A naturally raised animal does not require the input of genocide-soybean fields. Mass industrial meat farming is messed up. The animals are treated like shit and fed shit, which in turn produces low-quality toxic and nutrient deprived flesh which leads to malnourished humans and [the excessive machinery and transportation leads to] environmental pollution. (The methane from cows farting accusation is a myth btw, global warming is overwhelmingly caused by fossil fuels and transportation, anybody whining about a cow fart who rides an airplane is a clown) But veganism is NOT the answer, as it essentially does the same thing from a different angle (obliterates habitats and sentience, without the presence of animals, the soil is completely deprived of nutrients producing low-quality toxic and nutrient deprived plants which leads to malnourished humans, and the enormous import chains contribute to environmental pollution). The most conscious path I can see right now even amidst my own ignorance (I am myopic as well) is consuming regeneratively raised local farm animals. Yes. Bittersweet eh? We are all outrageously arrogant. Some acknowledge it and move on, while others act shocked and indignant: "me? arrogant? no way!" I appreciate that a lot! P.S. I'm not actually advocating for a carnivore diet lol. The whole "carnivore vs vegan" framing was more or less a prop to showcase the blindspots of the vegan paradigm. In terms of what a modern human ought to eat, I would say: Just eat whole minimally processed foods, locally sourced as much as possible, and include some form of animal fat/protein from smaller family owned farms. And of course, avoid seed oils. That would be my most sincere encouragement to the majority of humans! @Schizophonia Lmao yeah for real. Lila9 is cool as fuck but I could picture other people on this platform getting all heated and defensive from my honest observations.

Actually yes. That's precisely how we got here in this dog-eat-dog world You think God made a mistake when designing an animal kingdom that consumes itself to perpetuity? Unbelievably arrogant. The cosmos runs with Divine Precision without humans interjecting or forcing a trajectory. It has been this way forever, and it will be this way forever. It is true that individual/collective human decisions and actions are a part of this Divine Precision, so I am not advocating for inaction or passivity per se. If you have a dream or a goal, swing for the fences and actualize it with every fiber of your being or die trying. But don't make the mistake of thinking that the current state of affairs is somehow inadequate or less perfect. You really tried to frame God as inept, I'm aghast lol. Consider that if the meat industry ceased to exist, perhaps so too would the majority of mankind. I'm not saying this WILL happen. I'm saying it's likely. Did you even consider that before insisting that your personal human dream is more righteous than what we already have? This is pure falsehood. The fact that suffering is allowed to appear on a relativistic level is sheer beauty, intelligence, and perfection. Removing suffering from the cast would cause unfathomable imbalance to the Whole. It's precisely because GOD = AWAKE that suffering exists. You don't have to believe me, but I urge you to treat my position generously and genuinely wonder why I would say such a thing. Edit: I don't mean to pick on you by the way, I hope I don't come across as too antagonistic. I'm just genuinely interested in this topic and I happen to disagree with you at every turn hahaha. I speak blunt and I call your words "arrogant, false" etc. But this is not a character judgement on you. It is simply my impression of the words I read on this page. I know you are beautiful and wise and perfect.

That's good. Keep going. I want to see words of affirmation, and ultimately action, rather than complaining and self-pity

fuck, that is inspiring

I'm aware and I've stopped don't judge my past, judge my present!!

lmfao all those pills and he still uses bluetooth earbuds. It's not an accident that chris is using wired earbuds.

I somewhat relate, I get it. I have a titanic sexual karma that's dormant like a black hole in the corner of my soul. The difference between you and me, is that you have a girlfriend who you're considering cheating on, I do not. Also, you're all bark no bite. You want to fuck the hottest girls but then you whine about your porn addiction. I want to fuck the hottest girls so I keep my head down and improve every single day. I will have her in due time.

@SamC Gyat damn Lil bro is enlightened AF!!

Bro you're my favorite user on this forum ??????

I'm not even stating a correlation, I'm invoking a strict mechanical causation. All the things I've listed WILL measurably drop your testosterone levels, and a dangerously low T-level is known to feminize your behavior and conduct. Of course, this alone does not produce a transgender person by itself. Many biological men will still identify as men, albeit a more feminine one. But I have no doubt that any biological man who claims to identify as a woman, or non-binary, thereby disowning masculinity, is a victim of modern environmental toxins and unnatural living conditions. Because this is not something you could do if you had raging testosterone levels lol. You may be right that the factor pushing trans/nonbinary people over the edge is cognitive development. It's not just hormones by itself. I suppose I'm just stating that hormones is the initial instigator that begins the sequence of identity complications. In nature we observe male fish that have been poisoned with heavy metals will literally grow female sex organs. Not saying that humans and fish are the same, but don't think for a second that human populations are somehow immune to the havoc that heavy metals will wreak on sexual function. Although trans-acceptance is one path forward, and I'm not particularly opposed to this path per se, the fact remains that the majority of trans people are essentially victims of chemical warfare. I'm moreso shocked that nobody is discussing this side of the equation. And of course, it's not just trans people, but all of us. We're ALL being blasted by environmental toxins and unnatural living conditions... you and I are just somehow the lucky ones that still remain comfortable in our own skin.

Arbitrary duality, presuming psychedelics are "outside" of and foreign to "yourself" Try psychs and see for yourself. Don't rely on any of our opinions

No

lolol

Based. Speaking strictly technically, nonbinary/trans folk have disrupted hormones from modern environmental poisoning to an unprecedented degree. Perhaps they have "some kind of other personal issues/illnesses in their life" as well, but that alone does not lead to "identity complications." Merely being anxious or traumatized does not lead a biological man to identify as a woman. Constantly being blasted by estrogenics, heavy metals, hyperprocessed foods, lack of sunlight and sleep, non-native EMFs, plastics, etc. (and stack malnourishment on top of that) for decades will slowly lead a biological man to identify as a woman.