Leo Gura

You are blind.

@axiom Don't be a smartass.

His tears aren't fake.

Doubt it.

I have reached that point long ago.

No it isn't. You will be in some weak-ass state that you call enlightenment which is actually 1% of full awakening. I support both, obviously. I only debate those people who: 1) Claim that psychedelics do not generate legit awakening. Or claim that psychedelics are a waste of time. Or who claim that they have reached levels of consciousness beyond psychedelics. 2) Claim that there are no degrees/levels of awakening. - - - - -

In other words, nothing new.

Poor form to laugh at a crying man.

Everything is dictated by your state of consciousness. And you current state of consciousness is nowhere high enough to look past all possible suffering. Even a decade of meditation will not be enough to access the states of consciousness you would need to overlook all suffering. All sorts of things are theoretically possible. It's possible to do a triple back flip while juggling 3 razor sharp knives. The question is, how much work are you willing to do to train yourself to do it? You can certainly make a lot of progress to reduce your mental suffering and anxiety. But it will still require a ton of training and work. And this should not be conflated with pure consciousness. It is a technical mistake to conflate these two things. Which is what this whole discussion is doing. Make a distinction between awakened consciousness vs training the human mind/body to respond or behave in certain ways that you might find desirable.

It's a silly point. If you took a model and put her back in time, guys would still be clammoring to get in her pants.

There is a baseline of attraction which is wired much deeper into our genetics than culture can change. A normal healthy female body is never not gonna be hot to the average guy. Culture is a strong force, but genetics is stronger.

Because women are judged so much more harshly on their appearance than men. A significant chunk of a woman's survival hinges on her appearance. And women struggle with fat more than men. 1) Do you really think it's good that many young girls and women have crippling self-esteem problems because they cannot live up to the beauty standards found in magazines? 2) Fat is never gonna become the new hot. That's not something to worry about. Fit and normal girls will always be hot. 3) This cover is just throwing a dog a bone. To get so riled up about it and turn it into a political hill to die on is silly. It reeks of insecurity. A secure human would not be bothered by one or two covers of a fat girl. But an insecure conservative will frame this as the beginning of the end of Western civilization.

I dunno about that. The mind is easily corrupted drop by drop. I wouldn't just chalk this up to him being a psychopath or the like. Mental programming and propaganda is a potent force.

My standards are realistic and true to consciousness itself. I don't impose any human macho litmus tests on consciousness. Just because some monk trained himself to ignore pain does mean much. It is not the evidence you think it is. Yes it's badass, but to set this standard for students is very counter-productive. The epitome of toxic spirituality. No it isn't. You have no clue yet how deeply you can suffer. When your life goes wrong enough you will understand. False In a 5-MeO peak none of this matters. It all flys out the window. You could jump out the window and not care. Conscious of Truth is independent of how you feel and how your mind/body is trained. God awakens, then God goes back to dreaming. By your logic God could never become a human because God is fully realized. But obviously God can lose consciousness, which is how you were born. Yes, they are different. This thing you call liberation would involve a lot of training of your mind and body and emotional system. I have not met any spiritual person who doesn't suffer when things get bad enough. If they exist they are one in a billion. Sorry, but I just don't buy it. Find me a real person who doesn't suffer. It is easier to find a unicorn. It is such a stupid expectation to tell people to be Ramana. I will bet all my money that if you take any modern spiritual teacher and stick an icepick in his balls you will see him suffer. - - - - - This whole discussion is deeply wrong.

I claim Infinite Consciousness is possible. But it has nothing to do with science or anything you can think. Science is just a child's dream.

What boggles my mind the most is that this dude was just a normal kid who was bored, went to 4chan, and developed his political worldview off of 4chan memes. That's fucking nuts. That's like earning your PhD from chimps in the forests of Africa.

Wait till you see unicorn and angel pussy

If you were a goat you would find a goat's pussy appealing. Think about it.

1) You don't know what the audience wants. Out of millions of guys a decent number would like a thick girl. A minority for sure, but still. 2) What the audience wants is highly influenced by cultural norms. 3) Even if every guy wanted a fit girl on the cover, this is a fucking magazine run by a private company. They are free to make whatever cover they want. This has nothing to do with authoritarianism. They could put a picture of a goat's butthole on the cover. 4) It's not like society is gonna stop idolizing hot fit girls any time soon. A couple of covers of fat girls is just an exception that proves the rule. It's purpose is to help fat people feel a bit better about themselves. If you can't empathize with that the you got your head up your ass. 5) Fat people have a right to influence culture just like everyone else. If fat people want to say that being fat is good and beautiful, well, that's their agenda. You can disagree with it but that doesn't mean you will always get your way. 6) Don't worry, fatness is not all-the-sudden gonna become hip. 7) If you don't like the cover, don't buy it. This will put the magazine out of business. 8) Most guys will not land a hot fit girl anyway. So many will settle for a less than ideal girl.

You must be kidding. Science contradicts itself all the time. And yes, General Relativity contradicts and invalidates Newtonian mechanics. And quantum mechanics is inconsistent. All attempts to model or explain Infinity will always ultimately fail. They will always be incomplete or inconsistent. You haven't understood this point yet. Go watch my videos about Godel's Incompleteness Theorem and What Is Paradox. You are asking Infinity to be explicatable, which is pure delusion.

What's funny is that according to JP, truth is super important. So if you really take JP seriously, you will sacrifice everything for Truth. Which brings you to me The irony is that JP himself doesn't understand how right he is, because he hasn't sacrificed it all for Truth. He's pointing you to it, but he hasn't done it. Because it's fucking scary.

The problem with this view is that all your so-called enlightened teachers will suffer if you hit them over the head with a hammer. So you are setting a virtually impossible standard for anyone to meet. By this standard no one knows Truth, no one knows God, no one is awake. And this is false. Awakening and Truth-realization is independent of suffering. You can realize no-self and still suffer. If you doubt this, think of Christ on the Cross. You think he didn't suffer? Don't kid yourself. So are you going to deny Christ awakening and truth because he suffered? You see how silly this gets? Of course if you suffer easily that shows that there is much more work you could do on yourself. But it doesn't invalidate any awakenings or realizations you've had. Suffering is part of Absolute Truth. And just because you're not suffering also doesn't mean you're consciousness of the highest truths. This conflation of suffering and moral purity with awakening or truth is very problematic for students in this work. It creates a lot of wrong expectations which will never get met. Stop thinking that awakening or God-realization will make you macho, stoic, infallible, and morally perfect. It won't. Consciousness of Truth is just that, nothing more. You could still be addicted to whatever. If you don't think awakened people have addictions and cravings, you're kidding yourself. What's not wise is setting up simplistic litmus tests for consciousness of Truth. Like, for example, you are not conscious of Truth unless you can sit still cross-legged for 4 hours without flinching. This is a human-made litmus test which says nothing about one's consciousness of Truth. Truth is not testable by any such litmus test. All it takes to be conscious of Truth is to be conscious of Truth. Nothing more. If you are conscious of Truth but cannot sit still for more than 1 minute, you are still conscious of Truth. You just haven't trained your mind and body to meet some spiritual ideal you have set for yourself. I suffer plenty. But it doesn't make my awakenings any less real or valid.

The end of JP? Lol I mean, I don't find that girl beautiful. She's been eating way too many Cheetos. She would be more beautiful if she ate healthy. But that's just like my opinion man. Beauty is subjective. Ironically it would be authoritarian if only fit girls were allowed on SI covers.

You should be aware that my teachings are always evolving. This is the nature of empirical investigation. How come you don't get depressed and cry contradiction when a new scientific discovery is made? Think about it. Understanding reality is a lot more difficult than anyone imagines. If you think you can do it flawlessly, you're in for a rude awakening. I have also warned you guys that I am not immune from self-deception and that I am always having higher awakenings. My videos document my process of figuring out the ultimate nature of reality. This is what the process looks like.

Look, dude, you need to take responsibility for how stuff makes you feel. There was nothing depressing about my video. If you don't like the teachings or they make you feel bad, then don't listen to them. It boils down to that. Notice that plenty of people enjoyed the video and didn't feel it contradicted Oneness. I am describing states of consciousness beyond anything a normal human can access or even imagine. I'm sorry if it doesn't make logical sense to you.