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Honestly, in retrospect. All of the workshops and retreats I've done over the years in various places, very few of them disclose how bad things can get in the worst case scenarios. That info is kept well in the back pocket until you're already a veteran and then you catch wind of wild stories. They are also not honest about their result numbers. Way inflated. Far fewer people get woke than advertised. Like WAY fewer. The nice thing with physical retreats is that there is a lot more control and supervision possible because it is an expensive paid event and it only lasts a week or two. It is not ongoing 24/7/365 with a rotating cast of 500 anonymous characters.

It was just supposed to be a causal place to hang out. Honestly, running a forum is the worse business decision you'll ever make. It eats up all your time and earns you nothing. And the brand liability is enormous because you will get crazy people doing crazy things. It's really something that you should do if you're passionate about building a community. It's not a good business thing.

No. Kids pass through all the lower stages, but more rapidly if the culture is higher, and sometimes fail to integrate the lower stages fully. Kid might rise to Green as a teen, but will likely not have a solid Red, Blue, Orange. But it depends on how the kid is raised. In between Yellow and Turquoise. And still some work left to do on Tier 1. There's basically always lower stage work to do. Stages run deep. Shadows are easily developed and hard to unlearn.

@Hyacinth Keep in mind it usually takes 5 years of effort to move up 1 stage. So it's a slow burn. You don't achieve it in a month.

This is a list of action steps in each Spiral video for how to evolve to the next stage. Did you not hear it? Reading the Spiral Dynamics books is a great way to being the transition from Green to Yellow. You will become Yellow when you stop judging the lower stages and start understanding them as valid but limited POVs. As far as your job situation goes, it would be smart to start looking for a job which lets you be around stage Green or Yellow people.

Please, no more attacking Adeptus. Let him be. I might do a live conversation with him in the future to clear the air. He can be reasoned with and he's not a bad guy.

If you become infinitely conscious, you will know all there is to know. I cannot give you the answer to the "other" question. You must come to it yourself. Anyhow, let's not derail this thread any more with the solipsism question here.

This is not accurate. I didn't say the ONLY thing. You can do multiple things. I just said handling survival is important. There is no reason why you can't ready metaphysics as a hobby while working on your business. In fact, that's how my journey started! I didn't start with metaphysics and philosophy full time. I gradually ramped into it over the years while building out my normal life and doing business. Business by day, philosophy by night. It's hard to say. You can do a bit of work each day, but it might be best if you set aside 10 days per year for a hardcore retreat. Or some combination of the two. It all depends on how your life is structured. I don't know what you got going on. That's hard to say because I don't know your desires and issues. That you should work on by satisfying those desires until you are no longer desperate and needy. That's hard to say. The fastest path would be something like an ayahausca retreat or a hardcore 10 day meditation retreat. These would not get you to God-realization but they might yield some juicy mystical experiences or a minor awakening -- which is all you need to start. Don't worry about God-realization right now. Start with some basic mystical experiences. It's too hard to say because only you figure that out. I don't know your situation. There cannot be one map that works for everyone. Very hard to say. Depends on your goals and desires and biggest needs. Reading books is probably the easiest way to start. You learn good ideas and can contemplate a plan of what is most worth doing. Sorting out your job/career is probably one of the biggest pieces as far as basic self-help goes. Do you enjoy your work? If not, you should work to fix that. The LP Course offers a very solid foundation for newbies to find their direction in life. But it is not about spiritual work.

I have said this many times before. What you're not aware of is that if you become more conscious than Rupert Spira you will realize he's not fully conscious that he is imaging all other minds, and that you are imaging him imaging other minds. Like I have told you guys before, you are falling into the trap of taking these gurus on their word. You are not questioning Spira enough. You assume he has it figured out. And what I am telling you is: he does not. This is not an attack on him. This is something I say for your own benefit if you wish to fully awaken someday. I know you guys don't like to believe it, but I'm telling you simply that I have accessed levels of consciousness which go beyond what you hear from famous neo-Advita teachers. But hey, find out for yourself what is true. You're not aware that all those points of view are imagined by you. You even imagine Rupert Spira. It's a trick you play on yourself to create "reality". If you didn't play this trick, nothing could exist. This is an excuse and a rationalization for not becoming more conscious of what other minds are. You can become directly conscious of all other minds. If you want. And then you will understand what they are. This realization cannot be reached through the words or logic of any guru.

The mind will rationalize whatever it wants to do. It will also conveniently neglect things it even knows. Maybe the 10 Commandments say that killing is wrong. But a foolish person will reason like this: "Killing babies is wrong. So I'm going to go kill that abortion doctor who kills babies because he is breaking the 10 Commandments!" And there will be no recognition at all that killing the doctor also breaks the 10 Commandments. You assume the mind is going to be very rigorous and consider all sides of the issue but it will not. It will ignore obvious warnings and prohibitions. You honestly think that SoonHei never heard it said that Truth is NOW, the present moment? He obviously knew what. His sister told me that he Eckhart Tolle quotes on his dreamboard and talked about many spiritual authors he's read. So obviously he knew that NOW is the place to be. But he ignored that for some fantasy of a future Mahasamadhi heaven. When the mind gets stuck on some fantasy, it's logic becomes one-sided and anything can be justified in that way. You think suicide bombers don't know it's wrong to kill civilians? They know it. But they get trapped in some other fantasy and ignore basic common sense.

This is a common misconception. It is actually possible to become so conscious that reincarnation itself is seen to be imaginary. So you transcend even reincarnation. So it very much is possible to understand such things. It's not belief or speculation. You can realize it directly.

That's exactly my point. You are looking for war. And you create it. It would be wise if you made a distinction between looking for a fight vs seeking genuine understanding. It's like you are not even interested in considering the possibility that Actualized.org offers people some genuine understanding of life. You just dismiss that possibility from the start because that's boring to you. You want some red meat to throw to the dogs. But as you do this you actually promote egotism and ignorance -- not genuine understanding. And you slander my brand. Then you act surprised when the slandered party calls out what you are doing. The recent video you recorded about me is filled with so much projection and misunderstand that it would be laughable were it not so slanderous. Actually no. The bad PR is something you create but take no responsibility for. I do not control the lives of my viewers. If one of my viewers wants to jump off a bridge, he has that right. And I do not know what he is doing or why. Precisely because this is not a cult. I have very little oversight of people here. It's like herding cats here, not sheep. If you were an honest actor you would see that. We have a rather libertarian philosophy here of: as little control over people as we can get away with and still maintain an non-toxic forum.

Actually that's not my problem, that's your problem. Precisely because this place is not a cult, I have no control over how members here express themselves on your YT channel. Nor do I care to micromanage what member here say to you. All I would ask my members to do is to not be rude, don't attack anyone, don't start fights, and try not to get goaded into flame wars and drama. In other words: BE CONSCIOUS! Which is all I basically teach. Just be fucking conscious if you can. Simple, timeless advice that is guaranteed to work. What this situation requires is deescalation. If people here keep escalating, it will get escalated. And that's how war happens, FYI. War sorta goes against my teachings, in case that wasn't obvious.

It would be wise of you to acknowledge that the way you do your videos is fuel for the reptilian brain, so don't be too surprised when you call everything a cult, that you get people who vehemently disagree with you. It's a rather low blow to call something people love a cult, and then when they respond to you passionately that it is not a cult, then you use that as evidence to validate your original theory. This is called confirmation bias and self-fulfilling prophecy 101 and there's nothing nuanced or sophisticated about how that works. This is basic self-deception and it misinforms your own viewers who I assume you would rather be educating rather than triggering. See... you could do this with any popular brand. You could call CNN a cult, you could call Tesla a cult, you could call any spiritual teacher a cult, you could call Nintendo a cult, you could even call a university a cult -- and if the brand has passionate fans you will have triggered them to instinctively attack you, and then you would use that as evidence that they are a cult. But what you're doing there is not anything rational or scientific, it is just poking a hornet's nest. When you make triggery videos, people get triggered. If you're going to be using the cult word, maybe actually read some books about what cults are and are not. Or if you don't want to read, I have videos about it: Cult Psychology - Part 1 and Cult Psychology - Part 2. The problem with your critiques is that you clearly have not listened to much of my teachings. Or if you listened, you were listening with an eye for clickbait drama psychedelic stuff rather than actually bothering to hear the teaching.

Your idea of God is one breadcrumb, which, if followed, will lead you to the real thing. Don't over-think this. Don't psyche yourself out. It's not so complicated. You are God. Now just become conscious of this. That's all.

Oh, that's definitely true. The people doing the deepest work are not here talking. Feel free to write Don Beck an email about that

The illusion is not always so great. It's fun for a while but you don't want to be stuck in it forever. If God didn't leave a breadcrumb trail you would be here asking: "Why is God so evil to lock me forever in this illusion of suffering?" The breadcrumb trail is so subtle that 99% of people won't follow it. To follow it requires a serious desire. So it's actually a pretty clever design. It satisfies both kinds of people: those you want to escape and those who don't.

"abused the Truth" is a relative notion. If he is happy with his action then good for him. But we gotta deal with the fallout which requires telling people that our teachings have never been about physical harm to the body. Which is true.

Fair point. Thanks for the feedback. I will take it under consideration. Being more accommodating to the female perspective is something I've been trying to do more of. It takes unwiring some old habits. That has many issues. If this forum continues for years, we will definitely have more suicidal people joining and there is always a possibility of someone following thru on it. There is no way I can prevent that. There are 40,000 suicides every year in the USA alone. If I am going to be personally held responsible for every suicide that someone who sees one of my videos commits, then basically there cannot be a forum, or a comment section, or videos. Holding me personally responsible for the suicide of a person I have never talked to is an absurd standard which you would never hold any serious professional to. And you would feel outraged if anyone held you to such standard. That is the nature of teaching and communication. I could make the same counter-argument to those who deny Love as Absolute. I could say, "You are just being dogmatic and one day you may change your mind." There are always going to be some things within a body of teaching which are core to the teaching we the teacher will refuse to compromise on. This is true of any teacher or teaching. If you go to a Zen master and say, "But what if the Buddha wasn't enlightened? What if you are deluded?" The Zen master will laugh at you and kick you out of his zendo. Because if you truly feel the Buddha wasn't enlightened, you have no business being in a Zen classroom. You should go do more productive thing. Endlessly arguing about spiritual topics is extremely counter-productive to spiritual work. Which is why we cannot have endless in-fighting and debate here. The problem is one of distraction. I want you doing the work, not arguing about Love. Love to me is absolutely fundamental to this work. If you believe I'm deluded, fine, but then why are you here? Go follow someone who isn't deluded according to your logic. I will not compromise on Love. You can torture me and I will still tell you that Love is Absolute Truth. If you think that's closedminded and delusional, well, I cannot help you. You actually misunderstand what openmindedness means in this case. That's fine. I'm happy to have discussions about political stuff and SD. I'm not concerned much about disagreements there. I'm more concerned about constant debates about core spiritual truths which do not progress a seek in any meaningful way. Do not debate Love. Go become conscious of it. Or don't. The reason for seeking to minimize debate is not for the sake my ego. The point is to create an environment in which people's reptilian brains are not constantly triggered into ideological battle. These ideological battles make spiritual work impossible. I don't like debate because it is extremely unproductive. And then we have to waste a lot of time moderating it.

No, because I am still in the rough stages of researching that. Nothing solid to report yet.

@Preety_India Please hold back from getting into intense debates over such things. I know your heart is in the right place. You want to defend Actualized.org. But keep in mind that actively confronting someone like Adeptus who has strong views via the comment section will tend to pour fuel on the fire.

Well, actually, I'm experimenting with imagination techniques with the hopes of finding some good ones. You also have to keep in mind that my work is always unfolding and new stuff is being researched. People have this desire to "be done" with it all, and they then tend to treat my teachings as such too. Whereas I treat the whole thing as a very long exploration and journey. But people love to bash the spiritual journey and just say, "Be done and stop seeking, if you're still seeking then you are doing it wrong." This is ridiculous position to take because I'm not in the business of merely reaching enlightened ASAP. I'm in the business of exploring new ways of doing spirituality. A lot of people just don't understand this idea of pioneering something new. They like to dismiss it as ego.

Thanks for your feedback and support.

You talk a big talk, but the fact remains you are stuck in your imaginings and powerless to change them much. You can't even grow a sixth finger. Let alone unimagine the limits of your body. I released a video last month called "Is Actualized.org A Cult?" in which I told people clearly: "Commit to never harming your body. Ego death is not physical death." Maybe go watch that video. It is pointless for me to make more videos when people don't watch the old ones which clearly explain all these things. You think I'm some fool who has never considered that somebody might twist my teachings into some evil and stupidity? I have issued all kinds of warnings for years. This is not some recent development. All of this was foreseen years ago. I told you many times that people would look for ways to corrupt my teachings. Here we are. The fundamental problem here is that I teach truthful things every directly. And people just don't handle it well. They take it personally. As egos love to do. I have worked hard to stay authentic to my style of direct and blunt teachers because that is what my heart is into. I do not like beating around the bush with people and withholding things.