Leo Gura

5-MeO is rough. The loss of God afterward is rough to handle.

This was actually the Third Coming. The Second Coming already happened on this forum 5 years ago. And of course that person also had to be eventually banned for trying to start a cult around himself. There are many ways this work can be abused.

@Judy2 The issue of mental illness, multiple personality disorder, insanity, Awakening, and God is extremely complex. Do not settle for simplistic answers. The ego that we talk about in terms of Awakening and no-self, is different than the self that is being talked about in the case of multiple personality disorder. Multiple personality disorder is a much more strange and twisted thing, which involves very unusual and complex self dynamics which do not exist in normal spiritual work. This will also be true for other serious mental disorders like schizophrenia. However, of course, in the end, all of this phenomena is Consciousness, so there are interesting overlaps and connections. People with heavy mental disorders or just strong neuro-divergence generally have looser baseline states of consciousness than ordinary folks. Their minds are less locked down, which means they are more unstable and chaotic. Weird forms can arise like demonic voices, seeing entities, seeing auras, etc. The more loose consciousness is, like on a psychedelic, the more chaotic and unstable it is, the more imaginative is it, the more it can hallucinate mystical stuff. So yes, there is a connection between spiritual experiences and mental disorders because the normal human mind is so locked down that it never has a single spiritual experience ever. This makes the mind optimizes for mundane survival, like working in a factory. A more chaotic mind is more unstable and more artistic and more spiritual, which is why artists tend to be more psychotic and weird. There is a wide spectrum between pure logical material rational mind and wild chaotic unstable psychotic mind. There's always a tradeoff between the two. Psychedelics are the best example of loser consciousness. The point of a psychedelic is to make the mind more psychotic and insane. There is more than one way for sense of self and loss of self to occur. There are healthy and unhealthy ways. Enlightenment is one way, but borderline personality disorder is something else. The self is a very weird, rich, and complete thing. It is not a simple binary on/off switch. You can have all sorts of weird notions of self, some of them healthy and others not. You should not assume that the no-self of Awakening/Enlightenment will fix your mental instability or mental health issues. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. And maybe it will even make it worse. It's impossible to predict. Yes, developing a healthy ego is generally important before you go deconstructing the whole thing. A child needs to form a health sense of self. And this matter goes far into adulthood. The reason mental illness relates to spirituality is because both are about having a looser sense of not just self, but also reality. As your sense of material reality loosens you will start to experience more mystical phenomena. This mystical phenomena could be positive, negative, or neutral. It's hard to predict. You could see angels, you could see demons, you could see space kangaroos. You could hear the voice of God, you could hear the voice of Satan, you could hear the voice of an alien. As the mind loosens you have to be more and more careful about self-deception and delusion because you can have very powerful, very deceptive hallucinations of things are not part of consensus material reality. That kind of mind is also very prone to making shit up and wild grandiose fantasy. Finding a healthy balance on that spectrum is important. For people with mental illness the cure is about finding ways to ground yourself in reality vs fantasy. To make the mind less loose. You need a mind more like that of a factory worker than a psychotic. This can be achieved through medication, therapy, trauma healing, spiritual work, yoga, or whatever else. For me, my goal is to become more psychotic. Because my mind is naturally too rigid.

Unless they ain't.

Very true. I learned the most from watching my wingmen, not from cramming theory. Having one good wingman is worth $10,000 easily.

@Dodo That's an ingenious solution.

@puporing Okay. Take care. Good bye.

@puporing I will be asking you to leave this forum. Your views have reached an extreme that is not compatible with the things and values that I teach. I am not going to keep constantly clashing with you about this matter. You can hold whatever views you want, but my patience with entertaining them is finite. I have tolerated your views for a long time now. You clearly have no intention of ever changing your mind about anything, nor are you open to the things I teach. If you think you are so smart and advanced, I recommend that you start your own teachings because what you're doing here is counter-productive. This community is designed around a certain set of values and principles. You are free to have opposite and different values and principles, but then you should be doing that on your own. If you want to teach your version of spirituality, start your own school and see how that turns out.

Read Leo's bible. Line #2

They expect you to do practices without questioning or thinking about them. Monkey see, monkey do.

I know promoters but even promoters will not be able to get you into a top club for free on Fri/Sat without a group of hot girls alongside you. A solo guy cannot get into clubs for free on Fri/Sat. I've done it a few times but it is not sustainable. Management will catch on and shut that shit down. They want their money. Any day of the week that's not Fri/Sat I get in for free. But Fri/Sat are the most important nights so I usually pay $100.

No. This is a blindspot. I am saying something more intelligent. Contrast IS absolute too. You haven't woke up this yet. My mind is the absolute and grasps it just fine. You are imposing these limits on yourself. Your notion of Absolute is too limited and reductionistic and your notion of mind is far too limited too. I am trying to teach you something extremely advanced, but you already think you know everything. So you are stuck.

Mind is Absolute. Mind can grasp Mind. That's the magic of Mind.

You can increase consciousness through hardcore meditation. But you are correct that you will never be as conscious in your everyday life as 5-MeO-DMT. Is that sad? Yes. But hey, I will never live on the moon. Is that sad? Yes. So sad for Leo.

Austin nightlife is super cheap. Basically free. Downside of Vegas is that every club costs $100/night on Fri/Sat and buying drinks will bankrupt you.

Sounds like great practical stuff. This is proper game. Leo seal of approval.

That's a very serious question. It's not clear how deep that rabbit hole goes. You'd have to crawl down it and see. I don't know. An incoherent thing is like a triangle with 4 sides. Even God does not seem to be able to imagine that. Although maybe in some higher state of consciousness even that is possible. A demon is quite easily coherent. A demon is no more impossibpe than a kangaroo.

Anything that can be imagined coherently can be real.

Determinism is the wrong notion. Reality is Absolute. Your goal should be to grasp what Absolute means.

No

No. I will never follow any dogmatic path. Ever. I don't care what it promises me.

@Davino I prefer: Oh God I know you're everything, all-encompassing Infinity, please manifest to me in a slice of pizza!

He just shared a clip. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course all finite things are infinite. The spider is Infinity. Good job getting it. Very advanced.

Just cause most demons are fake doesn't mean all of them are.