Leo Gura

The message is a very healthy one: If you don't respect life, we will treat you in kind, and you will feel your karma and get your justice. We don't pussyfoot with assholes and bullies.

I'm not interested in making him suffer. That would not be a conscious desire. I just don't feel we have to service him for 50 years. Taking care of a guy for 50 years is a huge favor to him, and it's not deserved if he's an asshole. Death is the reaping of what he sowed. A simple and elegant solution to a dangerous being. By that logic there shouldn't be any punishments for any behavior. It just doesn't work in practice. Society must treat people like they are responsible for their actions. Taking responsibility is a huge aspect of personal development. So yes, you are responsible if you murder someone. And if you believe you aren't, well, then we are also not responsible by killing you, so you got nothing to complain about. Again, watch those double standards.

It's not like my position is some absolute right one. It's just my opinion. There is no correct answer on this matter. I think you guys take some of my opinions way too seriously, as if it's my way or no way at all. Ultimately we could build a good system with or without a death penalty. It's not a big deal.

Yeah, well, that's wrong. I know a doctor where half his business is just curing autistic kids. If it was simply genetic then you couldn't cure it and also you wouldn't have so much more autism today than ever before. Environmental toxins are a huge factor for triggering genetic sensitivities.

Obviously that needs to be fixed.

Both really. It's not emotional vengeance, it's justice. Why should a human be allowed to kill many others and get away with his life? Makes no sense. You reap what you sow. Karma. If you kill a bunch of civilians we have no obligation to be nice to you. You didn't value life, so then your life also has no value. Tis only fair. Again, this is the classic example of Stage Red exploiting Stage Green compassion. Green is so soft to know how to handle Red properly, therefore Red ends up exploiting Green until Green runs dry. You have compassion for these Reds at a distance. But if you actually had to live with them in close proximity, they would totally exploit and bully you until you lost your shit.

Here's my question to you Greenies: If Osama Bin Laden or Hitler were captured alive, would you give them life in prison?

Yeah, well, your doctor is an idiot.

Not just economy. Think of all the wasted time and emotions of having to babysit these assholes. You really think it's humane to subject judges, police, guards, therapists, lawyers, doctors, nurses, chefs, etc. to deal with the bullshit and abuse these assholes dish out for 40 years? They can also be a danger to all the above and even to fellow inmates who serve time for minor crimes. Dealing with pyschopaths is not a fun job.

And no one here says it is. Although, of course, all life experiences are grist for the spiritual mill.

In my system, death by 5-MeO overdose

In my system, death penalty would be made much cheaper than life imprisonment. The system as it is now is backwards. Here's how it should work: Trial >> convicted >> 1 quick appeal >> fails appeal >> death the following week

Lol, no. I'm not exactly known for being humble.

Look, I'm not gonna bend over backwards to make an airtight case for anything. That's not how the legal system works. I strongly suspect that even if you could identify criminals with 100% certainty, Greens who are anti death penalty would still not support the death penalty. Because it's an ideological stance, not a pragmatic one. This is an issue of misplaced compassion, which Green is fond of. I doubt such a person can out-work the cost of his imprisonment. And such people are dangerous. I don't claim any such thing for myself. I don't think anyone here has a clue what Coral even means. You guys love to talk about it as if you know what it is. Few people here even understand what Turquoise is. Never mind actually embodying it.

Dude, Nazis identified Jews not by their ideology but by bloodline. If your grandmother was a Jew, that made you a Jew. It's pure racism. Yeah, well, I don't have much faith is such debunking efforts. Debunk studies and science can be ridiculously unholistic and narrow. It's very hard to track all the relevant factors. Mainstream medical science has trouble just admitting that metal teeth filings are poison. Science on the effects of toxins and heavy metals is really poor.

Cause I care profoundly about truth and consciousness, I don't carry emotional trauma, and I didn't fill my mind with all the human bullshit that a lifetime of socialization creates. I also have few human attachments and few conflicts of interest. The more you take human matters seriously, the more invested you are in it, the more painful awakening will be. Cause everything human is built on BS. Even human spirituality is BS. Even Buddhism, Vedanta, nonduality -- it's all basically BS designed for fools.

The American court system is not corrupt. It's pretty solid. About as solid as it gets. If anything it's too lenient with endless appeals. You are framing it as if Biden or Trump are just gonna hand out death penalties to people they dislike. Serious criminal trials in America are not corrupt.

By your logic no one should ever be imprisoned either. No system is perfect nor immune to corruption. It's not like imprisoning an innocent person isn't awful. It's not even clear that imprisoning an innocent person for 30 years is better than a death penalty. You can easily find cases which are 100% obvious with all the video evidence now available. In the near future most serious crimes will have video evidence. Nobody is being innocently convicted of mass shootings. Get real here.

I gave you my Yellow perspective. What I'm hearing from you guys is the boilerplate Green perspective. Compassion has its limits.

There may be some link between vaccines and austism. However, not the Covid mRNA vaccines. And all risks must be weighed against the risk of catching deadly diseases. P.S. The claim that Hitler was Jewish is about his bloodline, not about his religion. He may have had Jewish ancestors. Not so unreasonable.

Always been a pleasure for me.

It saves resources which can be used to improve the lives of people who need it. This is really a resource allocation issue. Simple as that. There is no point taking care of an asshole for 40 years. If he's gonna be an asshole we don't gotta bend over backwards to take care of him. Be ware of idiot compassion.

I'm not only pro death penalty, I am pro executing it rapidly. No waiting for 20 years, that is ridiculous and defeats the purpose. There is no good reason why it should take so long and cost so much. Other countries execute it better. In obvious cases, like when we have video of a shooter, he can be executed immediately after the trial. This endless process of appeals for obvious cases is just silly.

Well said. No one understands how deep the illusion goes.

Growing mushrooms technically means you're running a drug lab.