Leo Gura

There you go again, doubling down on the Green. Come on guys, I expect you to see through Green and yet you're still mired in it.

You are always interpreting experience. There is no alternative.

I told you to watch a serious interview with Musk. This doesn't count.

Absolutely! I cherrypick science to weed out the shit. This is not a bug, this is crucial to avoid self-deception. And you should not confuse meta-scientific matters with distrusting of what appear to be solid clincial results. These are totally different things. Gender dysphoria is a disease-like condition that warrants treatment, whereas drinking and smoking are just bad habits which no one needs. Kids aren't suffering from not having access to alcohol and tobacco. Kids are not commiting suicide from lack of drinking and smoking. Your whole approach here is non-clinical and non-therapeutic because you are not interested in the substance of the issue, you are interested in defending a cultural attachment. You are not even asking or wondering: What is empirically the best method to help reduce the suffering of trans kids? You already assume you know even though you did zero clinical work.

Yes. This is the real honest answer. Everything else here is just noise.

But this position contradicts our best clinical science, so it doesn't make sense. You want us to ignore clincial science just to pander to your biases and prejudices about gender to make you feel comfortable.

But therapy IS a big part of gender affirming care. You act as though kids are given free hormone pills at school. And it's not like the right wing has any desire to fund free therapy for trans kids. The only therapy the right would support is telling kids they are whatever sex they were born as and anything else is wrong. Any other kind of therapy would be called "grooming kids". So your position is not in good faith. It does not come from a genuine desire to help kids, but to reinforce a dogmatic binary worldview which is held as absolute.

Memory is not the same as what is usually meant by "direct experience". But memory is far superior to belief, theory, or fantasy -- which is what most people are operating on. Since reality is nothing but experience, without sufficient experience you are simply lost in fantasy. Experience does not guarantee truth, but it's a lot better than not having experience.

They are off point. Green narratives are self-deception.

You just need to be biased, selfish, or unconscious. Because I care about epistemology and avoiding bias. Because it's just obvious that the denouncements of Musk posted thus far were just a parroting of Green memes, not a serious independent line of thought. These Musk narratives are so cookie-cutter, so unoriginal, that they might as well have been written by a chatbot from 2021. I can literally get a more original, accurate, and developed line of thought from an AI in 5 seconds.

Musk's politics are crappy, but there is more to people than their political positions. The key mistake of Greens is that they smear, judge, and dismiss anyone who opposes their Green ideals. This makes deep understanding impossible.

@Emerald Your mind is stuck in that Green moralistic narrative.

Because you lack experience of Musk. My words cannot cure that deficit.

Crocodile: Advanced metaphor for the deceptive nature of consciousness.

Go watch 10hrs of serious Elon Musk interviews. That is my counter-argument.

You are talking about leadership. To be a leader you have to lead, YOU have to tell us the solution, we shouldn't be telling you the solution. A leader is someone who comes up with solutions that others do not see and then convinces others to see as he does.

That's the wisest thing anyone has said here so far. Go watch an hour-long interview of Musk talking about his work, and listen to it without judgment.

The lack of quality thinking here is so disappointing that I don't even want to bother reasoning against it. Enjoy your Musk-trashing circle jerk. I'll be watching you from the clouds, where the air is crisp.

Not a thing.

They should all it Sense of Other. Theory of Mind is such a bad label for it.

So what? That is not a conartist. Does he BS himself about free speech? Of course. This is a low quality Green perspective on Musk.

Twitter makes people into lunatics. It's a bad idea to understand people based on the Twitter memes they share.

Trump is so depraved I don't think he believes he is saving the world. It's all cynical for him. He thinks his supporters are suckers.

If you want mastery you should focus on quality over quantity.

When Shakespeare wrote, "Thou doth protest too much", he was speaking of right-wingers.