Leo Gura

Things are not so black and white.

@Bioclassifiers I honestly re-watched it 3 times and didn't see anything but the dust on my screen. Maybe I'm going blind.

Where is the UFO? This kind of footage is what makes UFO people seem crazy.

Where is the UFO? This kind of footage is what makes UFO people seem crazy.

I am exploring the edges of what's possible. I am not interested in stealing girls from guys and usually self-eject from bf or married situations. I'm not above pushing on social norms as I learn. You have to understand that girls are not angels.

I have talked about this in my How To Get Laid series. Ideally you start with the player frame and then switch to the boyfriend frame once she's slept with you a few times and is seriously invested into you.

Bro, I know. I used to be the biggest nice guy. Yes, if you are stuck in nice guy mode then a scummy PUA is a good counter-balance. Just be careful, it's easy to go to the dark side. The dark side will get you laid so much with such hot girls you will forget the word integrity exists. Haha, good luck. While you're at it, teach your son to ignore looking at tits.

Girls are easily seduced because they are emotional creatures. One of my wings talked to a girl for 20 mins in the casino lobby. He pulled her into the casino restroom. She said she could only give him a blowjob because she loves her boyfriend. Such things are not uncommon. Normies just don't know. With the married girl I wanted to see how far she was willing to go. I try these things to see how attraction actually works. She told me, "You know, I'm actually married." And I told her, "But I'm Santa." And that was the end of her moral qualms. Attraction does not work how people think it does. You know how creepy it would be to go to a meditation retreat or satsang to game girls? Go try it. See how well that works for ya. Besides which, you won't have the skills to do it.

Well, if integrity doesn't matter to you, then yeah. It's gonna take you some life experience to realize the importance of dealing with people with integrity. When you decide to do business with a devil, don't be surprised when he fucks you just like he fucks everyone else. You'll see things differently once you have a daughter.

Well, to be fair to John, I think his case was dropped and didn't actually involve sex. Not all charges/accusations are automatically true. I don't know all the details, I'm just saying what I heard. But yeah, he's is a sketchy guy. He was too sketchy for RSD. Let that sink in. To be fair, Fox News anchors probably sexually abused and harassed more women than John. Now let that sink in.

"Master" is a nebulous notion here. I'm just saying don't expect him to have the highest lay count. It's John who's using laycount to judge people. I have never cared about laycount.

1) Nightclub builds skills 2) You can meet all kinds of girls in the club. Example: I pulled and made out with a PhD professor of mathematics doing stocastic modeling. She was smarter than all you guys here making excuses about going out. Didn't close that one cause she was married. You can pull doctors, professors, engineers, businesswomen from the club.

Owen actually coined that term. It's a guy who basically has zero social skills and zero experience talking to girls and very introverted. The opposite of a natural. Game comes easily to some guys because it aligned with their natural personality. Game comes really hard for others. Game for me is like 180 degress against my strengths and personality. By all rights I should be living in a cave, not pulling models from the craziest nightclubs in the world. It's like you're asking if Albert Einstien had great game. I had to push myself super hard to do precisely what I was worst at in the world and what I hated doing most. Learning game was one of the hardest things I've done in my life.

John is not a clown. He has solid game. The issue is integrity.

Most PUAs drink. And sometimes a lot. I really admire those who go 100% sober, which is one reason I admire Owen. Sure, you can. His advice on leading and handling logistics is solid. I am not disputing John's game. It is solid and practical. I was talking about him shitting on all the other coaches. This is in poor taste and discounts the pioneering work of someone like Owen. Regardless of Owen's lay count he has done pioneering work in this field, as has all of RSD. To dismiss all their work so flippantly as John does is not intellectually integrous. Firstly, he saw me maybe do a couple of approaches at most, from afar. Which says little about my game. I can also say that I have seen him get blown out by girls by pulling them too early and aggressively. Secondly, when he saw me back in 2013, I was a hard case newbie who had 1 year of experience in game. Of course a newbie will be uncalibrated. Even the best coaches in the world will get blown out hard each week by a few girls. I practiced a lot of physical game in Vegas back in 2013, and yeah, very direct physical game produces lots of instant blow outs. But it can also hook like crazy. Some of my most amazing sets came from very direct physical game. People are amazed when they see it hook instantly. It's so on it's shocking. It's an important skill to develop for very loud and crowded clubs.

Once you understand how dumb the average human is, all of life makes sense

Excellent work!

@Gerhard You took to 5-MeO-MALT like a duck to water

There is never a guaranteed path to exceptional success. That's part of the challenge! You have to do it despite everything in the environment telling you you'll fail. Escaping wage slavery is not for people who need guaranteed paths and others to cheer-lead them. Escaping wage slavery is for people who are willing to do the work even everyone around them says it's impossible and that you shouldn't even try. You need massive vision and an irrational belief in yourself. You need to be so confident and adamant that even when you're failing you think you're succeeding. In other words, your inner game is not appropriate for escaping wage slavery. You're hoping for some kind of promises and hand-holding -- but that's too weak of an attitude for creating serious success. I should be here telling you that you'll fail no matter what you do. And you should be here telling me, "No, fuck you Leo! I will succeed no matter what you say. I will make so much money I will use $100 bills to light my cigars."

By definition everyone cannot escape wage slavery. It is not possible at a collective level. But it is possible for you at an individual level. Not everyone can be a millionaire, but you can if you want it bad enough.

Lol. John knows nothing about me or my game. He talks shit about everyone as part of his marketing strategy. It's toxic. His approach to marketing himself is the same as his approach to gaming girls. Like I said before, a low integrity PUA is going to not just treat girls badly, he will treat everyone in a manipulative way, especially his clients and customers. He's gaming you with the same integrity he games girls. I was not known in the community at all because I was a nobody, there was nothing noteworthy about my game, and I never made any claims about my skills or results. This whole dick measuring contest about who has the best game is childish. All that matters is that you are improving your game. You can learn valuable lessons from all the instructors. You can also acquire many toxic ideas and habits if you're not careful. There is nothing more creepy than having your wingmen imprisoned for rape and yourself having rape accusations brought to court. Next to that I am a saint. Remember, I am not a pickup coach and I never was. So don't compare me to those type of guys. I was critical of the pickup community from the day I learned about pickup. Obviously much of it is low consciousness and toxic stuff sourced from deep trauma and lack of spiritual development. Be careful who you learn from. Their integrity, or lack thereof, will rub off on you. Have I done some flashy game? Sure. Have I turned girls off? Of course. That's all part of learning game. Flashy game is not solid game. I explained this in my How To Get Laid videos. But exploring flash is valuable nonetheless. Knowing how to do a bit of flash at the right time is very effective. People also have different styles of game. And much of what is considered flash is also just part of self-amusement and warming up. Sometimes I will say something silly or outrageous just to blow up a set and put myself into a playful mood. Keep in mind that all my game was done sober. Most of John's game was done drunk while he was gaming in Vegas. He says he quit drinking now -- which is great if true -- but that's after 10 years of drunk game. The majority of his supposed lay count is drunk game. I had to build my state from zero each night. So did Owen.

Dude, you have no clue how deep in the hole Owen started out. He was an autistic suicidal hard case. He has come far given his starting point. You take this shit for granted, as if mastering game is easy. Owen's forte is not getting girls, it's leading lazy guys like you. Owen spends most of his time running a business, not in the clubs.

Julian has a very high lay count from what I heard and amazing game. That's why Owen made him his main sidekick.

Cherrypicking good infield is easy. It says nothing about consistency of closing. If you cherrypicked my best sets, I would look like the best in the world. Sure, but that doesn't say much because 99% of guys can't even do an approach, let alone pull and close. All the infield is heavily cherrypicked. A flashy approach is not a close. An hour long set is not a close. And even a pull is not a close.

It's obvious he never had it. You'd have to be a fool to think that Owen gets laid massively.