Leo Gura

@hoodrow trillson Dude, just go watch some RSD. You don't need this Tate crap.

Don't get it twisted. You can find way better biz advice than what Tate's Hustler U offers. Not all biz advice is this shady affliate marketing pyramid scheme stuff. If you are serious about working hard and building a solid biz, you can find good courses and teachings for that. But it's not gonna cost $50. Good biz courses can cost $2000-$10,000.

I notice some of you guys have very wrong expectations about what a forum is capable of. This is not a Zen monastery.

I framed it as a lack of healthy Orange and excess of toxic Orange. Millions of young people are struggling just to get a handle on Orange, and then guys like Trump and Tate exploit that by selling them toxic Orange and even Red. If Trump and Tate were selling healthy Orange they would not be cancelled and there would be no controversy.

We are arguing over nothing. Each stage has its limits, which we all know. So what? Things are playing out exactly as predicted. Each Tier 1 stage misunderstands the others. And it could not be otherwise.

Why would you ever compare an online forum to a retreat? While you're at it, this place is also not a kangaroo. You are welcome to leave any time. Why are you here trying to convince me to go when you're the one who is unhappy?

If people didn't have weaknesses the devil would be out of work Focusing on the people left behind is what Green is trying to do economically though.

If you think this forum is toxic, you really haven't been around the internet.

They are man-children. Of course That's what I said. But by exploiting them they are popularizing toxic stuff. It's like seducing a fat person on a diet with junk food. Algorithms themselves are corrupted by the Orange drive to maximize profits and clicks. Which are then exploited by grifters like Tate. Please spare us your jaded nihilism.

I doubt it. Although of course with more popularity come more haters. Peterson is deeply political though and brings it on. He's got such bad political arguments that it just triggers the hell out of anyone Green and above. If he didn't get all political he would be loved by 99% of people I think. And he deliberately plays into the culture wars to get clicks and views. Otherwise no one would care or know about him. Obviously not. They manipulated their way to the top by exploiting the unconscious weaknesses of the ignorant masses. These guys are experts at exploiting the ego-mind's basest impulses. Which is the only way to get so popular without creating anything of genuine value. Yeah, well, an ego will not be awoken but rudely. So here we are.

Healthy Orange is very allowed. The problem is that Orange too easily goes off the rails into the unhealthy. Tate could easily have taught men how to be "alpha" without all the toxic stuff. I did a pretty Orange set of How To Get Laid videos and I got very little flack for it, because it was done in a healthy Orange way with concern for ethics. The problem with all these male dating coaches is that they are fundamentally unethical people. They don't care about ethics at all. And when this backfires on them, they wonder why society hates them. Well, you can't scale unethical behavior for long. Which is fundamentally Tate's problem. Toxic Orange is just overwhelming in the dating advice and business advice communities. Which is always what I've hated about those communities. Because otherwise there's good info there, but it's befogged by a cloud of toxicity. People like Tate will keep emerging because most guys are stuck at crude levels of Orange development and below. Tate isn't just the perpetrator of low development, he's also a victim of it. He doesn't know any better, neither do his young foolish clients or his women.

Except Tate does say misogynistic stuff and his philosophy will indoctrinate foolish young men into behaving unethically towards women. This reminds me of the kind of toxic stuff RSD used to do back in the 2014-2016 era -- all of which they had to take down. Apparently Tate didn't learn the lesson from the 2016-era crackdown on toxic pickup content. If he was wiser he would understand that such content is no longer tolerated on major platforms. Old school RSD content was very helpful for guys, but it was also toxic and unethical towards women. Your sex life and pocket book are not the only factors here. That's what Tate's followers don't understand. Mainstream society cannot allow toxic misogynistic ideologies to go viral, no matter how many men is might help. Because men are only 50% of society.

He's def running a marketing grift on young men, and he exhibits toxic masculinity akin to that commonly found in the pickup and Red Pill community. Nothing new here. Well, now his grift has backfired on him. Pretty soon he will be forgotten like Tai Lopez.

Only cause people are dumb

Stop the personal attacks.

I don't see any beating here. He sure sounds like an asshole though. Then again, couples in dysfunctional relationships fight all the time, case in point, Johnny Depp v Amber Heard. It's not really our job to adjudicate that or cancel people for fighting. I consider that his private life. I am more interested in what he posts on his channels and what he teaches. Does he endorse beating women?

Very nice, you got it

Watch your arrogance, devil.

You exist. Here you are.

So your type are world renowned mega-celebrities, Jedi masters, and Sith lords. Got it. Sorry my friends don't meet your standards.

There are many people with views who you will disagree with. Doesn't justify their cancellation unless they do something egregious, which I haven't seen Tate do.

If you truly were conscious of this you'd be happy. So the question is, why are you suffering? If you're feelin bad that's a clue that you're missing something important.

I don't like him per se, but canceling him seems like the wrong move.

They are friends of mine and I see them out in Vegas a lot. But understand that just cause I am friends with them does not mean I endorse their theories, tactics, methods, and worldview. I have opinions but I will not share because I am friends with them and I know a lot of private stuff which I will never share publicly. They are fun to wing with. They both got great game.

Welcome to the internet. If there is truly toxic stuff report it and we will take a look. We routinely police truly toxic behavior. But as far as drama goes, that's on you guys.