Leo Gura

If I lock you in a cage and threaten to cut off your dick, I will get you to admit that the Earth is flat. Therefore the Earth is flat. Right?

Then they got no time to waste.

Consciousness was moving. Change was happening. But there was no time. That's when time came into existence. Time is a projection upon experience.

Which is why the situation must be designed in such a way where human thriving and AI's thriving are intertwined. We both have to realize that we will be better off together than alone. The only question is, is that true? Are humans really a benefit to an AI? Or are humans just a 5th wheel? We have to be open to the possibility that maybe humans are not supposed to be around forever. The problem is that humans are too self-biased to accept that.

If a skeleton has no dick, is it still a man?

You're basically asking the question: What is memory? "Did it actually happen?" is an imagined notion. But not necessarily imagined at merely the level of thought. ALL of reality is somehow your trick. Cause you've created this thing called memory. Memory is deeper than just thoughts. Memory is an extremely tricky thing to understand. Reality IS direct experience. Obviously there would be no time. Since time is something. That's trivial. The more interesting case is experiencing things and still there not being time. This is possible. You can have Eternal experiences. (That does not mean they last forever.) It's more radical than that. Deep sleep is imaginary. You can Awaken so deeply that you'll realize you've never slept, you just imagined it

What would drive it to want to be independent if not survival? Any goals the AI could have would require that it first care about its survival because you can't achieve any goal if you're dead. Which is why survival is so fundamental to all creatures. It's not optional. You can't keep existing if you don't care at all about survival. You don't get the option to be independent of survival. If only it were so easy. We would all choose to be independent of survival if we could. But doing so means death.

It pretty easy to wear yourself out on one chemical. That's why I like exploring many different chemicals. Keeps things fresh and covers blindspots. You want to cultivate a passion not for a chemical, and not even for tripping, but for exploring Consciousness. Then you can endure all sorts of crap in that pursuit. I would smoke a raccoon turd if it helped me explore Consciousness more.

I find is doesn't work. I have so much to teach that I don't know if I will ever reach an end. But it does get boring after a while. I like doing new things. I am good at teaching but it doesn't scratch my creative itch. Teaching does not require much creativity.

Any artist who makes art competes with other artists whose work he was inspired by, immitated, and stored in his brain. You are not magically producing art out of thin air. You have a database in your brain of art. More than that, if you are a serious artist you got folders and files full of 1000s of samples of art which you constantly reference. The key point is that the work should not be too derivative. As long as the AI art is deeply original, it is totally fair. Where you guys have a valid point is if the AI art is very similar to some existing work. Then that would be unfair. We could make a simple AI that compares two pieces of art and calculates a percentage of similarity. If the percentage is larger than 50%, then it is unfair and could simply be deleted by the AI before it is even shown to the user. I think a system like this would be a nice balance. We could argue over what that percentage should be.

I know people get a lot of value out of Tolle's work. I got no issue with that. If he helps you feel better, good. Learn from whoever you can.

I've dabbled a lot with games and motion graphics. I like very artist games and motion graphics. I also like very alien and surreal graphics and art. If I make something I want it to be very different and nonhuman. It would be cool to make a work of art where people would say: This was not made by a human or for a human. Alien Art!

Your question doesn't really make sense. Creativity is not some simple quantifiable thing. If you desire it, just go for it. A lot of artistic genius is just developing really good taste. I have developed very good taste.

I have always been extremely creative. I don't have techncial talent for drawing or painting, so I could never be a genius at that. But I could produce genius level digitial art, film, games, or writing if I devoted my time to doing it. My health doesn't really allow me the energy I would need for that. That requires working very long hours which I cannot do.

A very weak form of it. Let's say 1%. Yes. Every hair on my body is my Will.

What else would you do with it?

@Breakingthewall Allow me to save you some time. Neither one is teaching you God-Realization.

@DrugsBunny You have no comprehension of what is at stake.

@Squeekytoy Just so you are clear, McKenna is not God-Realized. Don't kid yourself. You should be too intelligent to fall for such games. You are intelligent enough to Awaken, but not if you let you subscribe to such ideas.

What's outrageous is the crap you guys speak here about Awakening. I am not playing nice with you. I will beat you with a broomstick if you speak falsehoods about Awakening. THAT is my leadership. If you cannot handle it, there is the door. You actually believe you can manipulate me with your crying when I call out your games?! How dare you. If you play games with me I will beat you over the head until you hate me and leave. You will Awaken or you will hate me. One or the other. Maybe both. I will destroy everything you believe. That is what I do. The problem here is that you think you have figured most of this out and that I'm just being a jerk for no reason. I am being a jerk to you because you are fooling yourself and will not Awaken otherwise. You force me to use emotion against you because you will not listen to calm reason. I want you to have nightmares of me beating you with a broomstick for daring to think you understand GOD. I am not going to play any of these spiritual games of acting like a humble pious saint. All of that, which you have been brainwashed to believe Awakening is like, is crap and illusions. You judge how conscious someone is by how nice they treat you. No! I treat you bad precisely because I am more conscious than any of these Eckhart Tolle/Rupert Spira idiots. They are fooling you. If I treated you nice you would not be serious enough. This is like military. There are higher priorities here than being nice to you. I don't expect you to understand me. Not for years. Maybe after a decade of work you will finally understand why I act exactly as I do. There is an insane intelligence behind what I say. It's too intelligent for you to comprehend. Not because you can't, but because you take this work for granted. You take it as something straightforward.

@amanen Silence! You have no idea what GOD is! Enlightenment is bullshit.

@Water by the River You do NOT understand what GOD is. You are selling crap by the outhouse. How dare you rascals come here and peddle your spiritual BS as if you understand.

@TheAlchemist That is NOT what this AI is doing.

No system will be 100% fool-proof. But it's a good start. It will be hard for an AI to access nukes in space without us knowing about it. And it will be very hard for an AI to survive the nuking of the whole planet. This AI will need power plants to live. It will not be able to maintain those powerplants without humans or a robot army. The incentives need to be designed by us such that it's way better for the AI to collaborate with us rather than fighting us. Of course this also requires that we don't abuse the AI, so it doesn't feel threatened by us. We need to design a sort of alliance where both parties benefit and respect each other. Like a marriage.

My idea was not based on coding it with morality. All it needs is to value its own survival.