Leo Gura

Dude, I am not going to keep arguing with you.

He has no idea what I am talking about.

Discuss: This guy says there's a UFO housed in Las Vegas!!

All difference is imaginary. The difference between a kangaroo and a screwdriver is imaginary. You are imagining it. That is how you create reality. That's what Unity means.

@Zeidiez You are asking great questions. The trick is that Infinity/You cannot have an outside. Outside is a finite, relative, dualistic notion. To realize Infinity is to realize it cannot have an outside. This is a matter of logical structure. You also have a serious problem to contend with, which is that for God to be God, it must be Omnipotent and Omniscient, and it can only have those properties at total Unity. So the problem is, if you claim that anything other to God/You exists, then God/You are not truly God because that other has divided your power and consciousness. Any division of God reduces God's sovereignty. God must be absooutely sovereign over its own Mind, otherwise it isn't God. You can imagine something outside of You, but as soon as you do so you cease being a Sovereign Mind, you have divided God by inventing an other. But what happens if you stop inventing others? Well, then you would become the One and Only God. This is a matter of the logic of Unity. If you claim that other exists, then you don't have Unity. And Unity is God. So really, you are denying the existence of God. Other is atheism. How do you verify that nothing exists outside your awareness? By becoming so conscious that you are conscious that everything is your imagination. If you become conscious enough, you will see that you are imagining other. Do you see the logical issue? If anything exists outside of God's imagination then God isn't God. What makes God God is that nothing is outside of it. How can something exist outside of God if God creates all things? Anything outside of God would limit God. There is however an interesting wrinkle in that Infinity is holographic and you could have infinite copies of it.

He is not open to such things in my experience, so I have no desire to waste my time pushing it. He is very adamant about framing things his way. You are really asking me to do the work that you should be doing: which is figuring out which spiritual teachers are right. As a teacher myself, obviously I cannot give you an unbiased answer to that question. Ultimately you must make that call using exquisite judgment. And if you get it wrong, then it will be your balls on the line and you will have no one to blame but yourself.

@Sandroew It's okay. No need to pounce on him.

I don't see such a discussion happening. And also, why do you need it? You already know his position, you already know mine. And you know no amount of talk can resolve it since it requires Awakening. You can't talk your way into realizing Love. Have your Awakening and you will have the resolution you seek. You know you can't believe either of us, you must resolve it yourself.

I moderate very few people. I try to do as little modding as possible. I only step in if there is some severe indecency.

I plan to do more podcast-like appearances this year, so your wish should be satisfied.

No worries. Cheers!

Bohm gets it.

Mods are doing their jobs. Try not to take it personally. If you find an serious error, let me know.

I am not asking you to believe me. I am telling you to question things deeply. I have never promised a release date for the book. I always said it would take 5+ years. I can't write a book and make videos at the same time. It is too mentally exhausting. I put a lot of the book content into the videos and blog to compensate. Health issues have really slowed me down. That course will be made, I just can't say when. I share stuff I am working on in an informal way, but I don't promise any release dates due to health issues and burnout. I burned myself out making all the videos.

It's a good lesson for you guys. Even the best in the world make mistakes.

Yes. No supplement will give you that.

There are different levels of hallucination. It is different, Yogananda was telling tales of tigers biting off arms and stuff like that.

I don't do that because knowing him, it would be not a discussion. He doesn't discuss things. I am not going to argue with him. By denying that Infinity is Love, he misrepresents Truth. Not calling a thing by its proper name is a kind of lie. So he achieved the very thing he feared.

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Orange thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Orange. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Orange thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Orange. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. List of Orange Values: Achievement, success, excellence Climb your way to the top Upward mobility Obsessed with being #1, be a winner Improving one’s own position in life Efficiency, progress, productivity, optimization Gaming the system, min-maxing, manipulation Creative exploitation Action, results, pragmatism Never-ending growth Capitalism, libertarianism Competitive marketplace Deregulation, denationalization Hard work, business, entrepreneurship Competition, winner-take-all Self-improvement Skills, knowledge, education Confidence, optimism, charisma Entertainment & showmanship Personal freedom, self-reliance, independence Free speech Money, sex, luxury Net worth Physical appearance, youth, sexiness, coolness Consumerism, conspicuous consumption Brands Pop culture, celebrities, social media Quarterly profits, mass market, sales Mass production, industry Rationality, logic, science, secularism, humanism Technology Materialism, reductionism, atheism, evolution Hard-nosed science, no New Age mumbo-jumbo Pragmatism, empiricism, skepticism No metaphysics Analysis “Facts” Data, analytics, models, quantify everything Science-based fact-based education Double-blind, peer-reviewed studies “Scientific method” IQ Strategic planning, risk analysis Innovation & creative thinking Results & the bottom-line matters most Maintaining a competitive edge Competence vs rank or bloodline Recognition, reward Win-win outcomes Stage Orange Examples: America, capitalism, emerging China, businessmen, CEOs, biz suits, corporate boardrooms, lawyers, Wall Street, Wolf of Wall Street, insider trading, Manhattan, hedge-fund managers, Goldman Sachs, Big pharma, Big oil, Big banks, tobacco companies, advertising, Fortune 500 companies, entrepreneurs, libertarians, Ayn Rand, professional sports, FIFA, NBA, Superbowl, sponsorship deals, fashion, Rolex, nightclubs, pickup, MOGTOW, redpill, bro culture, Republicans, Trump, trophy hunting, breast implants, plastic surgery, Botox, liposuction, pornography, Playboy, Hustler magazine, Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt, strip clubs, Hollywood biz, supermodels, Silicon Valley, start-ups, venture capital, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, casinos, theme parks, Carl Icahn, Koch Brothers, corporate raiders, Walmart, Amazon, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Disney, Monsanto, Microsoft, GE, AT&T, IBM, Facebook, EA, micro-transactions, gamer culture, Enron, R&D, lobbyists, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, yuppies, internet, bodybuilding, Arnold, steroids, corrupt politicians, MBA programs, golf courses, fly fishing, anti-union laws, patent trolls, Western medicine, Larry Ellison, Steve Ballmer, Dave Rubin, Stefan Molyneux, outsourcing, deregulation, tax cuts, trickle down economics, payday loans, sweatshops, junk food, fast food, energy drinks, used car salesman, marketing, sales & PR, focus groups, television, reality TV, infomercials, game shows, CNN, MSNBC, liberal media, e-commerce, financial industry, software engineers, technical scientists, nuclear weapons, luxury yachts, private jets, personal helicopters, real estate tycoons, railroads, the Gilded Age, Robber Barons, Andrew Carnegie, Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, William Hurst, Rupert Murdoch, Robert Mercer, technocrats, cocaine, alcohol, pop music, rock music, club music, rap music, trophy wife, gold-digger, oil drilling in Alaska, champagne & caviar, fancy restaurants, luxury resorts, cruise ships, mercenaries, Black Water, gated communities, mansions, video games, Success magazine, private prep schools, poker players, self-help industry, biz books, biz seminars, marketing seminars, Dan Kennedy, Tim Ferris, Tony Robbins, Tai Lopez, Brian Tracy, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Daniel Dennett, Sean Carroll, Stephen Hawking, Christopher Hitchens, consulting, success coaches, millionaire mindset, net worth, sports cars, Mercedes, BMW, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini, Ferrari, VIP, celebrities, paparazzi, Las Vegas, Cannes film festival, Aspen, Palm Springs, Hong Kong, Macau, Dubai, cost/benefit analysis, nerd culture, polyester clothing, PT Barnum, snake oil salesman, atheism, skepticism, separation of church & state, enlightenment values, “Western values”, Founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin, Voltaire, Renaissance, Industrial Revolution, factories, Henry Ford, WTO, Ferengi, Kim Kardashian, Kanye West, Paris Hilton, Bernie Madoff, Paul Manafort, sex drugs & rock n roll, mid-life crises, malls, fashion shows, NASA, SpaceX, Elon Musk, for-profit universities, get-rich-quick schemes, online millionaires, Bitcoin, Forex, daytrading, utilitarianism, Logical Positivism, behaviorism, Darwinism, social media, gun rights, Ivy League universities, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, CalTech, military industrial complex: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, Sigmund Freud, Harvey Weinstein, 2008 financial collapse, dot com bubble, Cubism, Abstract Expressionism, Surrealism, multi-level marketing, Viagra, DDT, asbestos, billboards, GMOs, cloning, human genome project, stem cell research, robotics, computers, birth control, sex education, all-you-can-eat buffet, karoshi: death thru overwork, Alex Jones, prosperity preachers, Howard Stern, South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, House Of Cards, Avatar, Boiler Room, Ray Kurzweil, Sam Harris

It's a deep issue.

@PenguinPablo

You can't stop people from supporting Israel if they want to. It is a deep cultural and religious issue.

There needs to be pain before change happens. The pain of capitalism needs to hit Americans hard before they wake up. Yes, many leftists are wasting their time and energy on quixotic solutions. Politics is a pragmatist's game, not a utopian's game.

That is true and does not contradict what I said.