Leo Gura

That is not a point in your favor. The Palestians will then start a terrorist resistance movement to dethrone the US puppet government. Because what they want is revenge and to kill Jews. They will not let that go. You cannot force them to act maturely.

That is the core problem. They will use that military for revenge against Israel. Radicals will hijack that military. All the people serving in that military will want revenge. How is this not obvious to you? The are not going to have modern professional military chain of command govered by human rights regulations. It will be a radical Islamist genocidal ban of thugs with tanks and rocket launchers.

Mearshiemer is being silly. Of course Hamas is not a state right now. But the issue in question is what happens if we give Palestine a state, which Hamas would coopt. The point is that Palestinians have such a low level of development that if they are given a state military they will just use it to wage a genocide. It's like were sitting around the kitchen table debating whether we should give our psychotic uncle the key to a chest full of grenades and rocket launchers. And Mearshiemer is saying: it's okay because our uncle currently owns no weapons. No one is claiming that a Palestinian state would succeed in exterminating Israel. But they would fire rockets and launch attacks that make Oct 7th look like a picnic. Given how underdeveloped Palestine is, whatever government they have will get hijacked by terrorist Islamist radicals. There will not be a democracy there. Their whole government will be organized around the agenda of revenge upon Israel. Israel is not under existential threat, but they under terrorist threat.

When a crocodile snatches a baboon, since the baboon is naked, that means the crocodile is a sexual predator. Green Logic. #CancelCrocs

Yes, to a degree. But all of the Middle East has low stages of development, so it's not all Israel's fault. There are profound developmental problems baked into every Arab nation which breeds terrorism. No. Hamas wouldn't really stop until they kicked Israel out of the Middle East.

Netanyahu is correct in that if you give Hamas a state (with a military), they will just use it to attack Israeli civilians. So of course he will not allow that. Netanyahu would have to be a deluded leftist who thinks Hamas isn't genocidal to allow that. It all boils down to leftists not understanding that Palestine is stage Red/Blue and Israel is way above.

Right-wingers gonna right-wing.

I doubt they want that. That would be extremely bad for Israel. It would destroy their economy and development. It would be political suicide for them.

I don't think there is any solution. War.

He shares many great insights but mixed with New Age and conservative BS.

He has a list of books he recommends. You can find it if you search around.

Lol Such nonsense.

I don't know. Again, I don't call it higher, I call it different. There are many different forms of consciousness. Although it is higher than anything anyone here understands. It is not even with your realm of human imagination. You literally cannot imagine something so advanced.

Green Zionism refers to the dogma and bias shared with Zionists.

Exactly! All the errors of the left come from this one innocent-seeming bias. When you place anything above truth -- including social justice -- what you will end up with is falsehood. When are you learn that lesson? Social justice is not truth.

I swear, you Palestine warriors are pointless to reason with. Just a Green verison of Zionism. Enjoy your dogma.

Yes, minus the gas chambers.

It's more ethnic cleansing and domination than proper genocide.

Even if you put them at Blue, Israel would be Orange/Blue/Green, so higher.

No, because a genocidal lunatic obviously does not care about civilians. Hamas has denied targeting civilians on Oct 7th. You look at whether their words match their actions.

No. You are falling into false equivalencies. Their will is not the same.

The difference is that Gaza hasn't been nuked.

Oct 7th was no hypothetical. You are sitting in your armchair and arguing hypotheticals.

You should listen to the Hamas leader I quote-posted. Not anyone else. You are starting to turn into a leftist-MAGA, where I give you clear undisputable evidence and you just skip over it and carry on with your ways. There can be no healthy politics if you behave that way.

Because Bibi is playing machiavellian 3D chess. Bibi was trying to destroy the possibility of a Palensitian state by any means, which includes funding their radicals and assassinating their moderates. Bibi is extremely clear about his motives: A two-state solution over his dead body.