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It seems more like a binary thing, where either the serious charges stick or they don't. And if they do then it's serious prison time.

@Bobby_2021 Thanks for all the raw data.

I think it's exactly the opposite. In India it is easy, but with modern technology is it virtually impossible. You need to quit all your technology to get the results Water By The River is selling.

I've heard of guys who just sit around and bliss out. But your "comprehension or realization of full enlightenment" will come from sitting still and shutting off your mind. So I don't see contradiction here. You're basically talking about insane amounts of meditation. This is a very reductionistic and misleading way to put it. Well, I beg to differ. You make a good point. However from the point of view of teaching, the classic path you suggest boils down to sitting for months on end in silence doing nothing. So I have nothing to teach on that matter. Anyone who is hardcore enough to undertake that path is welcome to do so. Realistically extremely few people will ever do this. And talking about it endlessly is not going to help people do it. I would say, either decide to do it or stop talking about it. From what I can see you basically got two ways to achieve this: 1) Insane amounts of full-time meditation. This requires you quit your job, drop your relationships, and meditate full-time for months. 2) Do years of pretty hardcore Kriya yoga. With no real guarantees. I'm not sure what kind of promises Kriya makes about the end of suffering. Doesn't seem realistic. What other way is there? The reason I don't talk much about these paths is because they are so hardcore I don't think anyone will do them. Those people who would do them are basically taking the path of the full-time monk. And if you're just going to meditate an hour or two per day, I would consider the end of suffering a pipe dream. There is a good reason why I've never talked much about this whole "end of suffering" business. And that is because this is such a near-impossible feat that only the hardest of the hardcore will achieve it. And even those who claim to achieve it, I have my doubt how true it is. So I say back to you, have mercy on my followers and don't fill their heads with pipe dreams. Many of them don't have the potential to end all suffering. And once you fill their heads with this expectation, you will multiply their suffering many fold. The reason I talk about psychedelics is because they are effective for ordinary people in one weekend. But of course this cannot produce the positive benefits from years of a full-time monk lifestyle.

Are you serious? Where is that info coming from? Does he not have tax evasion charges? Kinda strange since he admitted it on tape. Or maybe that's not a criminal charge?

I should clarify something for you guys so you don't fool yourselves: psychedelics will not produce a permanent high state of consciousness nor a permanent blissed out state. If that's something you expect or want, look for other means. You cannot use psychedelics to magically avoid training for those things which require training. For example, being a kind, gentle human being requires training. You can't get that behavior without training.

But is that really worth spending 10-20 years in prison? I would rather live in Africa than spend 15 years in a Romanian prison. That prison would destroy his whole life. Does anyone know what his sentence is likely to be if found guilty? It's gotta be steep.

No! Into Absolute Consciousness. You DO NOT comprehend what Consciousness is. No matter how well trained for bliss you are. You are blissing out but not comprehending consciousness seriously. Because you don't need to comprehend anything to bliss out. All you gotta do is shut off your mind and sit still. Again, that's just irrelevant to Consciousness. Consciousness does not care what the quality of your life is. These are human concerns and Consciousness is not limited to the human. I've never said you need to hold my priorities. Have whatever priorities you want. And I have mine. Different priorities get you to different places. There are trade-offs. The point is not to confuse the end of suffering (enlightenment as you call it) with Consciousness. Yes it may lead to more suffering. But also, nothing prevents me from also pursuing the end of suffering via traditional means. P.S. I don't believe anyone who says he has ended suffering. It is much more likely that these people are deluding themselves.

Some suffering is a clue that you're living your life wrong. But some suffering is just inescapable even if you live correctly. Most of us don't live life perfectly and therefore create a lot of needless suffering for ourselves. In which case that suffering is a good teacher to train you to become a better human. Of course your goal should be to try to minimize behavior which leads to great suffering. That is the process of your development. When handled properly suffering teaches you to stop doing foolish things. But even if you do all the above, there is still suffering which you will not be able to avoid. And then your job becomes to handle it gracefully.

Don't expect honor amount thieves.

@Abhishaik Thank you. Good to hear.

The end of suffering or bliss is not the same thing as CONSCIOUSNESS. Pursue whatever spiritual goals you want, it just doesn't mean you're deeply Conscious. It means you're very well trained. And maybe that's enough for you. That's up to you. But it's not the only game in town.

Of course psychedelics do not produce that because that if a function of training. What psychedelics produce is: 1) insane levels of consciousness which you will never ever naturally reach, 2) and insight. I have never claimed that psychedelics result in the end of suffering. All traditional spiritual techniques are about training your body and mind. Psychedelics skip all of that to take you to insane levels of consciousness and back. You cannot get the benefits of training without training. HOWEVER, just because you do a lot of training does not mean that you have accessed very high consciousness nor understand what consciousness is. So we're talking about two independent axes here. People love to confuse the two, which leads to all sorts of problems and arguments. The thing that I am vocal about it that people who do lots of training assume that that's all there to this work. But there is a whole other dimension which no amount of training can reach. You can train yourself for 40 years and you will still never reach levels of consciousness which I have reached. This does not mean I'm better trained than you or whatever you value like bliss, siddhis, or the end of suffering. I have never claimed such things because I have not even tried to train them seriously.

Well, maybe that will motivate some folks here to get more serious about Kriya.

@mr_engineer Who insults and berates you? I've talked to thousands of girls and that's like almost never happened to me. And if it does then I would never take it seriously, I'd laugh it off like the girl is drunk or in a bad mood. When I'm out talking to girls I'm not using their words to tell me who I am, to define me. None of them could know me. That whole line of thinking is just too serious for a night out. A night out is shit-talking, cracking jokes, having fun, and flirting. Not a discussion about my worth as a man. If someone is talking shit about you, you can just tell them, "Why are you being so nasty?" And walk away to another girl. Don't play the game of trying to defend or prove yourself to anyone. If people are being disrespectful to you, just walk away. The way to be secure as a man is to never let the words of others affect your worth. Your worth lies completely in how hard you work on yourself and how much you love yourself.

My tastes are what they are and they have never changed since I was a teen, and it is inconceivable for me to have any other tastes.

No. This discussion has become absurd.

@MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI What results have you gotten with Kriya and how long have you been doing it?

I do not have any direct experience of chakras. Not sure why. Maybe they are not part of my reality or maybe I have not done enough yoga. Perhaps the way it works is that you have to imagine them into existence and I haven't really been interested in that. When it comes to yoga you guys should not regard me as an expert. My experience of yoga is limited. I provided these Kriya resources because there were no gurus around from whom to learn it. If you want to get serious about yoga you should probably invest the money to seek out an expert.

Of course it's always here. It's everything. But that doesn't say anything about how conscious you are.

I'm not ready to get into that right now. But the burnout was just from 10 years of work and having the autoimmune issues throughout that whole time to various degrees. The autoimmune just means that I have a lot less energy to work with than normal people. So I get exhausted quickly and need more recovery time. Which slows down all my work and causes a lot of interruptions, making it difficult to restart again. It's frustrating to not be able to work as much as I want to. So I have to rethink my relationship to work. To be more clever about it.

Yeah, my health problems forced me many times to drop off, and then it's hard to restart the habit. Restarting is easier with a simpler stack. 6 month is a lot of work just for the tongue thing to start working. That's not a newbie friendly technique. Thanks for sharing your results.

Thank you. I have already been taking lots more breaks over the last half year as you have noticed. So it's not like my blog post was some shocking revelation out of the blue. I have been scaling back my work to make more personal time for a while now. As far as a permanent solution, I'm not sure yet. But yes, I anticipate some major changes to my lifestyle, attitudes, mindsets, and so on. I don't have a concrete plan yet. Well, for one, I still gotta eat and pay my bills. I can't just do nothing for the rest of my life. Survival is still a factor. And secondly, it was never about competition for me, it was about doing meaningful work that I could be proud of. And yes, I am quite ambitious by nature so my lifestyle has to suit that.

How long did it take you to develop it?

Frankly I would prefer porn over a girl who I don't like. I have very sophisticated taste. The raw sex is not the main appeal for me. Yes, I'm weird. But also I like it. I value quality over quantity.