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@KatiesKarma Your situation is so unique that it's hard to say. You just gotta keep trying stuff with the hope that you will stumble upon something some day. Maybe emotions are not gonna be your way. Maybe you can find happiness just in being conscious and at peace, like one of those Buddhists. Maybe what you're looking for is just classic enlightenment.

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Have you tried literally just sitting down and doing that?

Because my highest goal in life is to understand reality. Nothing else is worth doing in the end. God's only purpose is to understand itself. It tames the monkey mind and builds focus. It can produce some powerful shifts in consciousness but it has to be done for many hours on end, for days. And it's tedious as hell.

I understand. Then I suggest just doing some deep research into all the various techniques for healing and trauma that exist out there. You're bound to find some good stuff. I don't have much experience helping people heal from mental disorders. One thing you can do is to research other people who had your condition and healed it, and investigate what methods they used. This requires doing DEEP research. Gather up all the info that's available on the subject until you become an expert on it.

@Karmadhi Let's not turn this thread into a gender debate.

@Karmadhi It just sounds like you are already satisfied with that part of your life, so move on other things. Pickup in mostly for guys who really struggle with girls or socializing, or guys who want to sleep with tons of girls, or guys who want exceptionally hot girls. If none of that suits you, then you probably won't be in pickup for long.

@KatiesKarma I can suggest working with a psychic/mystic therapist rather than a traditional one. You can find local ones on Yelp. They will probably help you a lot more than traditional materialist therapists. That's hard to say since I don't have that kind of mind. Maybe buried hurt or anger. Something like that. Trauma. Have you actually tried programming your mind with positive imagery on a daily basis for months? That might be a great practice for you. Learn to control your mind with positivity and love. If you have multiple personality disorder then you should research specific therapy and techniques for that. You require an expert on that condition. You need to do more research on exactly what condition you have and find specialists with extensive experience healing that. Generic spiritual advice is not going to help you much.

@Water by the River In your long post you explained some very elaborate techniques for taming thought. That's sorta your whole method. My question to you is: Why make it so complicated? Why not just use something like the noting/labeling method for monitoring your thoughts? Seems to me like this would achieve the same thing with one simple method. I'm talking about something like Shinzen Young's method. How is your method superior to the Shinzen Young method?

@KatiesKarma Therapy for sure would help. And then you could combine that with psychedelics, journaling, holotropic breathing, etc. Yes, you got a classic background for personality disorder and trauma. That requires some deep digging into. Be cautious with psychedelics because they could send you over the edge if you take too much. Check out Teal Swan's work on trauma. She wrote a whole book about healing trauma. That's her cup of tea.

There's A LOT of different kind of men, at various levels of maturity. So mistake #1 is over-generalizing men. Obviously some men can, many men can't. What you're looking for is a more mature, more developed, more conscious sort of man. Also a man for whom looks are less of a priority. Some men are REALLY hung up on looks and youth while others much less so. If you just look around, there are many men who are married, loyal, and happy. So obviously that's possible. But remember, if you are looking for unconditional love, that's not really what relationships are. Most relationships are not unconditional. Both parties are trading stuff and looking for value. So you have to be somewhat realistic about how relationships work and don't treat them too idealistically. The reality is that most relationships don't work out. A few do.

@Karmadhi I'm not sure why you say there is no carry-over. Being more social carries over into all social interactions. Humor carries over, vibing carries over, leading carries over, conversation skill carry over, your inner game and confidence carries over. But even if it didn't, so what? You get girls and that's a great skill to have. If you want other skills develop them. No one said that flirting with girls is supposed to improve your public speaking skills. The benefits of pickup outside of getting laid is the inner game you build, the confidence, the initiative, the work ethic, the passion for self-development, the sense of humor, etc.

That would explain a lot. People with such disorders who then also have awakenings or mystical experiences tend to have some hairy, messy kinds of awakenings which turn into "spiritual emergencies". Stan Grof talks about this a lot in his work. Such people require a lot of healing work. Your awakenings are not gonna be the normal kind.

He already described it above. Read his long-ass post.

I am not going to talk about it now.

@Holykael You'd be surprised how much you can steer your mind from negative to positive thinking. Most of you guys have developed life-long habits of negative, toxic minds. If you wanted to, you could horrify yourself right now just by sitting down for an hour and conjuring up horrible images in your mind. Or you could do the opposite. You CAN think positive thoughts. Don't act like you can't.

I only say that because I've never encountered a human spiritual teacher who teaches it. It's unheard of. Which is why I am vocal about it. Why should I be vocal about Buddhism when everyone already knows about it? The point of talking, for me, is to say new things. Not to rehash old ground. I agree that's highly valuable. From the perspective of understanding Consciousness -- which is my highest concern -- unhealthy consequences are irrelevant. However, I am not oblivious to unhealthy consequences and of course I would like to minimize those for my followers. I do place understanding of reality above the transcending of suffering. That's a core feature of my style of spirituality. Understanding above everything else. Everyone is free to pursue their own spiritual priorities. I have chosen mine and for it I have paid serious costs which you guys don't even know about. I have permanent scars and damage across my body from my pursuit of the highest understanding. And maybe one day it will kill me. If you understood the levels of danger I have toyed with, you would be horrified. You guys only know half of what I've done to gain my understanding.

@KatiesKarma God is an infinite mind that is constantly dreaming. It's very important what you focus your mind on, especially in mystical states, because you will literally be manifesting that reality/dream. So when a mystical experience opens up your consciousness your job is to guide your mind towards positive images and thoughts. Towards dreams that you want to materialize rather than nightmares. If you keep letting your mind wander into nightmarish thought-land then eventually you will end up in a living nightmare. Or you could change that direction towards beauty and love. So an important part of this work is purifying your mind, letting go of mental tendencies which take you into nightmarish directions. Why are you dreaming up devils when you could dreaming up angels? Ask yourself that. Of course Consciousness is fully capable of dreaming up demons and devils and much worse. Consciousness is unlimited in what it can imagine. But this does not mean that you must allow your mind to veer down such dark alleys. Only if you want to.

@integral I don't think anyone here is using the word awakening to refer to personal development. I think people here use it to refer to a mystical experience of one kind or another, but the problem then becomes to what degree, what kind (because there are many kinds of awakening), and how long-lasting? On this there's much disagreement and confusion.

@Tobia Of course there's truth in what you say. But I still think reforming the US prison system is a lot more complex than it was for Sweden to do, and not just because of profit motive, but of course that's a factor. Transitioning the US prison system to the Swedish prison system would be a monumental task, and after all is done the voters wouldn't even feel the effects of it very much. So that makes it extra difficult. It's hard to win an election on the platform of: we're gonna spend billions and billions to make the lives of criminals easier while the working people get nothing. That's how it would be spun.

Leo's Razor: Don't attribute to racism what can be attributed to assholery.

That's your own problem.

Shush! He has made a serious and valuable post and you are being ungrateful.

@Water by the River Thank you for the effort and thought you put into your posts and explanations of Buddhism. There's some good stuff in what you quote. And I see what is being gotten at there. There's definitely value to that. However, I still insist that the God-Realization I speak of is beyond that and cannot be attained via those methods. Although I do not dismiss that those attainments you mention are very good and valuable, and perhaps that's the most a human mind can attain as a permanent state. But Alien Consciousness is completely beyond everything those Buddhists understand or have ever achieved. And THAT is the real difference between what I teach and what every other spiritual human on this planet teaches. Again, the problem is that Buddhism is reductionistic. It tries to boil consciousness down to emptiness. It tries to deconstruct consciousness. Which is NOT what I am teaching and not the highest consciousness. To truly fathom consciousness requires a non-reductionist approach in which consciousness grasps itself at the highest level. None of this Buddhism even begins to touch the highest level of Alien Mind which I have discovered. You will not reach Alien Consciousness through any kind of monitoring techniques of your thoughts. And so as I have said before, Buddhism is fine, it gets you to certain levels of consciousness. But nowhere near the levels which I have been to. No, we are not talking about the same Awakening. And that's the whole rub.

It takes a lot of skill to vibe right off the bat with a total stranger. And some settings are harder to vibe in. The biggest obstacles to vibing are 1) fear and 2) being stuck in your logical mind. If you can work those two out of your mind then vibing becomes easy. Yes, of course. Mostly that's an inner game issue. Of course it's easier to vibe in a place where it feels socially acceptable. The whole point of a bar or nightclub is to make it socially acceptable and easy to vibe (by being drunk). Nothing is wrong with you. Being able to vibe on command in any environment is a highly specialized skill. Few people are naturals at it. Realistically it takes years of practice to develop. It's much easier if you're an extreme extrovert and much harder if you're an extreme introvert like me. Go out, have 1-2 drinks, and try vibing with a girl. You'll see. A good exercise for you is to go out for a week and just keep asking yourself "What is vibing?" Look for it and contemplate it until your mind groks what it is.