Leo Gura

Are MAGA still conservatives? Why are they overturning democracy and supporting a rapist? It's quite easy to fool a conservative into killing minorities and following a strongman. We are living it.

That's true of course. And not just that, but we need complex systems to mediate all that. A pile of resources is of little use if there is no good education system, media system, court system, distribution system, etc. All these systems need to be evolved up. Soviet Russia and Communist China or Cuba didn't have such systems, so they devolved into barbarism. Jesus himself could not make Soviet Russia Green due to lack of systems.

You know but you don't care. A big part of the issue is that what you care about totally changes in a serious trip.

Some did, some didn't. It really depends on the time and place. And also the political situation.

Maybe the KKK were liberals. Who can tell?

That's not good enough to save you. But hey, do it your way.

The problem isn't left vs right. The problem is that no one in politics is conscious or selfless enough to actually embody progressive ideals, nor is the populace at large. So the progressive ideals cannot be actualized, and we are left with lesser forms of conservative systems which match our actual levels of development. If all people were seriously progressive we wouldn't even need a legal system. But we are not so good.

Owen has many good videos. Especially the old ones which he deleted.

Well, I don't like Destiny platforming Nick Fuentes. But what I really care about is whether Destiny has a fundamental misinderstanding of what Nazis are. Also, Destiny does not portray himself as an academic. Should Destiny be disqualified from talking about Nazism? I don't see why. Does he endorse Nick Fuentes? I doubt it. The issue isn't who you talk to, the issue is what ideas do you promote and want to see in office. We know who JP wants in office: Mike Pence.

What you guys are missing about leftist dictators is that they use leftist ideology as a cover for a ruthless authoritarian power grab. None of those leftist dictators had the level of development necessariy to actually govern in a democratic, progressive, or even neoliberal manner. There is a deep asymmetry between right and left governance. Left governance is much harder because it requires higher levels of development. Right governance does not. Therefore someone who wants power can use left ideology as a smokescreen to get it. But in practice these people are still quite conservative in their manner. It's like an ape who tries to act like a saint. The reason these issues are so complex and messy is because all ideology is overridden by survival, unconsciousness, and lust for power. So people claim to be one way, or believe one thing, but then act the opposite when things get tight. Soviet Russia did have genuinely progressive people, but they were all quickly purged even before Stalin took power. In reality the Soviet system was run by criminals and thugs. Stalin was a bank robber. So him professing progressive ideals was always a load of shit. Do not confuse Stalin and Mao for stage Green SJWs. Those are very different beasts. Soviet and Chinese Communism is not stage Green. It never could be. Which is why it failed so badly.

Talking to a neo-Nazi is not the same thing as not knowing that Nazis are conservative. I don't see a serious risk of Destiny becoming a Nazi. Precisely because he is left-wing.

Haha Be careful that your German precision doesn't make you miss the forest for the trees.

Relative semantics. What you call far-right fascist I call extreme conservative vs traditional conservative.

Hard work does not mean stupid work. It means both smart and hard. You will not get good with girls by some lazy half-asssed means. Not unless you are already good with girls.

There a right-wing and left-wing libertarians. Most American libertarians are moderately conservative, stage Orange. Most of them are very naive about how society actually works. They are like children.

Wherever @Mormegil meant. That is his language.

You can distinguish them, but there is an obvious pipeline from one to the other. And it works so effectively precisely because most people are not good at distinguishing the two. It's hard to create a pipeline from leftists to Nazis. Ask yourself why.

The beauitful thing about Owen is how hard he had to work to reach his level of mastery. The reason Owen is so appealing is because he's not good-looking and he was a depressed hardcase newbie. He acheived a lot through sheer effort. Owen doesn't teach that you will push a button and get success with girls. He tells you to work hard for it. There is nothing magical about going out consistently every weekend. It's a grind. A lot is out of your control but you can move to a big city and start going out every weekend and talking to girls.

Conservative vs liberal is actually a much deeper category than most people assume. We could scan people's brains and determine whether they are one or the other.

You can achieve that same result by having degrees of conservative. There are psycho-conservatives.

@Yimpa Getting nearly hung has a way of sharpening one's vision

Of course! That's what extremism entails. A very moderate Nazi is just a friendly conservative. A TRUE Christian is rare as a hen's tooth. So that doesn't mean much in political discourse, which deals with large averages. Since most people do not think, they follow, they are easily seduced by extremists.

@OBEler Why do you distinguish between right-wing and conservative?

I never liked it. It's got a very medical, clinical quality. You're taking a cat tranqulizer. Your eyes won't even work properly. It doesn't feel right. At least for me. I know some people love it. I have never found it effective to do practices in the middle of a psychedelic state. But again, maybe that works for you, I don't know.

Well, I have. But of course, some things must be seen to be believed. Although by the time you personally see it, it might be too late.