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Lol Isn't that what everyone in society says?

No, I mean very very enlightened people who have deeply embodied their enlightenment. Most ordinary enlightened people are not conscious during their sleep. That will take additional consciousness work.

@Deep Yes, Sahaja is supposed to be a permanent Nirvikalpa.

It's actually impossible to be happy without thorough enlightenment. So the implications for one's personal life are enormous. They are not merely enormous, they are TOTAL. But of course there is no reason or moral imperative for pursuing the Truth. You are not "better" or "superior" for having discovered the Truth. There are not right or wrongs. And there are no reasons to do anything. Life is a sandbox MMORPG. Play it as you like. In fact, Truth and falsehood are ONE.

@egoless Sure, I guess. The mind will easily misinterpret advanced teachings. To really understand and appreciate the last 2 quantum mechanics videos will require a typical person a decade of study and practice. We are talking about levels of understanding which virtually no human being on the planet has accessed. It is very tricky stuff which has personally taken me decades to understand and has required my own death several times.

@Dino D Most mathematicians are also good people. But some of them are also rapists. Understanding of mathematics is indepedent of rape. You can do both. And most people will only do the former. It would be a mistake to say that if person X raped someone, he is a bad mathematician. Maybe he's a bad teacher, because teachers should also be good rolemodels. But his understanding of mathematical truths is untouched.

Nonduality does not depend on any authority and would be true even if tomorrow Einstein and Bohr were revealed to be charlatans. I appealed to their authority precisely because it might help convince arch-materialists because they will not be receptive to critiques coming form outside of science. But even so, most materialists would sooner discard the opinions of Einsteim and Bohr than re-evaluate their materialist dogma. Materialism is a religion. So it does not repond to reason or evidence. It's an unfalsifiable position by design. The mind does not play fair when defending it because, unbeknowst to the materialist, his very life hinges on it. Nonduality is not an argument or a proof. It is a fact of which you can become conscious if you wish. Brute facts are never proovable. Facts merely ARE. "Proof" is a psychological game which depends on how receptive your mind is. That would be your projection. I take no offense at this critique. It is just laughably off the mark. And I have deep compassion for his ignorance. I have devoted my whole life to helping people cure this ignorance. It always breaks my heart to see people intellectually shooting themselves in the foot. I know exactly where they are making their epistemic errors, but I cannot convince them of it because they lack the radical openmindedness necessary, because they fear ego-death. That is the tragedy of this whole thing. This guy is not even conscious of why he is closedminded. That is the tragedy of religion. So in the end, what can we do but laugh? Maya is a sneaky bitch. My experiences of nonduality are not going to be shaken by any rational critique. So critique away. All critiques are just a consequence of Infinity.

Be ware of confusing being enlightened with being a good human being or being a good teacher. These are all very different things. What you are talking about is the ideal of sainthood, which is WAY beyond enlightenment. You can be enlightened and not teach a single person. You can be enlightened and kill a human being with a fork and then eat him for breakfast. Those things are indepedent variables. Of course that doesn't make sense to you if you define enlightenment as saintliness. Osho's fruits are quite clearly on display in his writings.

I've had experiences of infinity while sleeping. It's cool stuff. But rare at this point. Masters are able to be conscious 24/7.

So what is the problem? You can't sit on chair?

Sounds right. What exactly did you become cosnscious of? No-self? That's good, but there's also more. Of course teachers are teaching themselves. They are also eating themselves, fucking themselves, crapping inside themselves, talking to themselves, looking at themselves, working for themselves, critciszing themselves, etc. Because there is only one thing: The Infinite Self. When all is ONE, how can you even walk on the ground without stepping on yourself?

I like up. It represents openness to the universe.

Well, #2 isn't really Nirvikalpa, because it is Sahaja! But yeah. And there are many more realizations and states than those 2.

Why are doing half-lotus on a chair???

Does not help his case. He is still wrong. He isn't even conscious of the difference between direct experience and concept. What more is there to say of such a person? Stephen Hawaking was a better physicist than this guy, and Stephen Hawking was wrong. So what? Appeal to authority does not equal truth. Dogmatic people appeal to authority and credentials because they refuse to be conscious for themselves.

Physics does not apply to infinity, physics is one outgrowth of infinity.

@Betterself It doesn't have to be painful. Sounds like you've read too many trip reports or people struggling on the path. There is also the question of depth. How deep did you go? Probably not very deep. The deeper levels may prove more challenging.

There's contradiction at all between being enlightened and being an alcoholic. You can do both, and more!

You expect a bunch of materialistic Reddit trolls to understand the subtlty of nonduality?? Lol Those guys have no idea what they are up against. Just reading one random sentence of his critique and it's already ignorance of the plainest sort.

@Vinnie Move to a very cheap part of the country to live, somewhere in the middle of the woods, live spartan, and do your consciousness work from morning till night until you become deeply enlightened. If you go at it hardcore like that, it should happen pretty fast; within a year. Read Om Swami's book on my book list to see how he did it. He was real hardcore about it. This isn't rocket science. You just need to have the will to do it. Buddha-style.

I don't doubt Osho's enlightenment. He was a squirrely guru tho. And the cult around seems a bit irresponsible.

Nothing, just rest it on your thigh or in your lap.

@Achilles Start with small doses of LSD or mushrooms. See how you handle that. There is no reason to guess or speculate with psychedelics. You can dose very small and see exactly what your tolerance level is. You just have to be patient and responsible, unlike what most people do: just eyeball a big dose, damn the consequences.

@Hsinav Yeah, maybe. Not everyone is willing to scour through all of Osho's YT videos.

@Betterself That's very very common. I've had that too. The reason is goes away is because the enlightenment needs to be deep enough and total enough so that your mind understands the mechanism of the illusion. What is really going on? That's usually not clear after one glimpse. Many glimpses may be required because the materialist/dualist paradigm sits very deep in the mind. It's like your operating system, and it needs rewiring. Also, the Truth itself needs to be distinguished from the exciting experience or the emotional after-effects. There is a difference between mystical states and insight.