Leo Gura

@Davino I understand you. Yes, being a better human is important and part of this work. I see it as a back and forth process. You dive down to the bottom of the ocean to swim with the whales, then you emerge onto land and figure out ways to apply the lessons the whales gave you into your tribal life. And you share them with your tribe both through word and deed. You keep doing this over and over again until you become a saintly whale walking among men. So there's no contradiction and no false choice. You do both, using one side to lever the other.

Haha. Don't hold your breath. They are more like, "Elon so smart. My Tesla stock go up. Why Green so mean? Elon just getting rid of corruption."

Hazzah! I found the clip of them Spiral Wizarding JD Vance:

Really??

Faith is acting like you know when in fact you don't, but you don't like that so you want something to stand on. The emptiness of not-knowing is too unsettling for Christians. They hate emptiness. They want to FEEL Christian. The feeling is their fuel. High on Christian vibes.

Never been. Don't know. All my relatives in Russia basically.

If you guys locate more clips of Integral people exposing their political positions please post here. We need more data on their actual policy views. I am very suspicious of them but need proof before I jump to conclusions. I want to be fair to them, but I smell a stinker. The fumes of Spiral Wizard foolishness are in the air.

That's good. But I wanna hear what he thinks the response to Trump should be.

But I drive a Tesla! And Kamala laughs funny. Kamala mean Green lady. Not enough Red warrior energy. - - - - - It's quite interesting how Tier 2 can be more naive and spineless than Green. It makes a lot of sense because once you buy into SD you start to rationalize toxic lower stages as part of the cycle of life and you fancy yourself a Spiral Wizard so strong criticism of any stage is a no-no. Except stage Green is always due some extra criticisim for being so annoyingly woke and not inclusive of racists, rapists, fascists, bigots, and grifters.

If they had Spiral Dynamics in Hitler's day they would be like: "Well, you know, Stage Blue is important and the system needs change. Hitler's Red warrior energy is good for the boys. And did you see my new Volkswagen? I just love it. So anyway... let's just all be friends."

Spiral Stupidity

The problem is Christianity does not give people the tools to realize God. So they are left living a fantasy.

Here I found some not so good takes from the Integral people on Trump/Musk. They basically think that Trump/Musk might be good for creating change. They have no spine to resist Trump nor do they recognize MAGA as corruption. Their approach is to just go along for the ride and hope everything works out. Just kinda let Trump/MAGA just have their way. There is no recognition of democratic backsliding and serious potential for danger. Their position is like: "Well, I drive a Tesla and it's so cool. So just let Musk do this thing. Might turn out good. The MAGA people didn't like Kamala." Just be friendly to everybody. Tier 2!

How would you know? What does that even mean? To be enlightened without a body.

Orb of Confusion, AKA, religion.

God loves crispy bacon.

The word enlightenment has come to mean weak nonsense in the hands of materialists and such. It is obvious that Martin does not understand God and is not testing for God. Whatever he is testing for, I would be very skeptical of if I were you. Because he is in no position to understand this domain. My claim is not about randos, it's about serious mystics, which are very rare. What randos do is of no concern here. Of course that's true. Materialism, scientism, and capitalism has completely locked down modern minds. This does non contract my claims. Yes it does. Exactly. This is exactly my claim. Ingram has special genetics. Look, I'm done trying to convince you. You figure it out yourself. There is no way to explain human spirituality without genetics. That's my claim. Feel free to test it.

That's exactly what I mean.

That's serious Intelligence! But it's redundant for God to shit on a church since it's already overflowing of its own shit.

This is so cringe. I don't even want this on the forum.

Carl Jung was clearly a genetic freak. You don't get his intuitive intelligence through just reading a bunch of books. Any world-famous historical intellectual is genetically talented. That doesn't mean he's some Buddha super-mystic. That guy does not understand God or mysticism. I give his studies and research very little import. Designing a study to properly measure mysticism requires great care and intelligence, not some standard materialist approach. You can do your own study. Every advanced spiritual person who you meet, ask them about their earliest childhood spiritual experiences. You will see that the vast majority will tell you they had spiritual talents without any training from an early age. Pretty much every professional psychic and occultist is like this. You don't ask the general population or college kids. You ask serious mystics. The general population is talentless and clueless. Spiritual talent is NOT culture, it is raw genetics. It's silly to assume it isn't. How quickly humans forget that they could have been easily born a chimpanzee.

I don't see much difference there. His model implies that Spirit evolves in a very specific rigid linear way. It's almost cartoonish.

My child would either be a horned demon or a floating orb of pure Intelligence

Your PhD-thesis gets an F. Back to the blackboard for you.

"I only bought the most important election ever and used it to personally manipulate government to benefit myself and my rich friends at the expense of everyone else. Why all the hate, guys? I am good gamer. Love me." Musk is so out of touch it's giga level.