Leo Gura

You talk about proof, but do you understand that there is actually zero proof for materialism? If anything, quantum mechanics and general relativity have disproven materialism 100 years ago. It's just that mainstream culture hasn't caught on. If you do a search, you'll find we've discussed this issue to death already in similar threads just a few weeks ago. Smoke some DMT and you will have your evidence.

That is correct. Although what remains after that is achieved is a sort of divinization of all experience.

@naive13 https://www.actualized.org/articles/contemplation

Enlightenment is NOT simply "being in the moment" as you understand that phrase. A better description would be: to die.

Too vague.

@Lauritz There's nothing as mad as the belief that objective reality exists.

The course is not about starting a business. Those were just arbitrary examples. Your LP might not involve starting a business, and that is okay, and is still covered in the course, of course. For example, your LP could be to become president of the US. And you don't need to start a business to do that. Although having business know-how is very good for anyone, even if you work for a boss. There is almost nothing more valuable than business know-how. Except maybe spiritual know-how.

@John Iverson There is much more to life that just enlightenment. If you want success in any field, from finances to relationships to sex to health, you will have to work your ass off for it, no matter how enlightened you are. And if you are too lazy and undisciplined to succeed at these basic things, I would bet good money that you will fail at enlightenment too. There is no escaping self-discipline and hard work in life. Stop thinking of enlightenment as a shortcut to avoiding work. Decide how you want you life to be, and then get to work creating that. It's that simple.

You're right, reality is infinitely better and bigger than those worlds. All those world are a tiny subset of actual reality. But you are too lazy to actualize it. You only get what you give from life. You haven't given enough to it yet to experience its magic. You expect magic to be delivered to you on a silver platter because modern society has made you lazy and weak.

@Alien Tis merely the Devil leaving your body

@realname Worlds have nothing to do with logic. Logic is a symbolic system invented by humans. Like a language. From what I understand at this point, consciousness can literally take any form at all that it wants, without restriction. There are no worlds per se. There are just different dreams. Imagine an infinite mind which can dream up whatever the hell it wants. Right now, it happens to be dreaming up you.

@Edvard A hallmark of higher consciousness people is that they behave more authentically, truthfully, honestly. So they will not want to pretend to act less conscious. That's something only a low consciousness person would think of doing. In many ways Obama was very pragmatic and Orange/Green. He wasn't super Yellow and nowhere near Turquoise. No, just the opposite. The truly wise have no desire for power, glory, fame, or success. They have no desire to win or to rule. If what you said was true, then all the emperors of Japan would have been Zen masters and all the presidents of the USA would have been Nobel prize winning scientists and humanitarians. But that's precisely the opposite of what happens. The people who rise to the heights of power are usually the most ego-maniacal, power-hungry, Machiavellian, ruthless, and evil. (There are a few exceptions). You'd have to be insane to want to behave like Trump on purpose. That sorta like asking, why doesn't a university professor behave like a mental-retard? He could, but why would he? The whole point of achieving stage Turquoise is that you see the entire cosmos as one interconnected being. There is nothing left to be selfish about. The self is seen to be a gross delusion. I explained why he is Red here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/trump-and-spiral-dynamics As President, of course he is killing people. The number of innocent civilians killed under Trump from drone strikes alone has been more in 1 year than under Obama's entire term. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-already-killed-more-civilians-obama-us-fight-against-isis-653564 And, BTW, the US military grossly under-counts civilian deaths (of course). The greater the ego, the longer its trail of collateral damage. Trump isn't even aware of the collateral damage he is causing, which is precisely what makes him so dangerous. He has no self-reflection, unlike someone like Obama.

You should familiarize yourself with formal logic. There are an infinite number of self-consistent different kinds of logics. Not in other worlds, but just in THIS world! You can study them in university. What you refer to as "logic" does not exist. That's a gross over-simplification.

@Mohamad Tahmas Trump isn't merely Orange, he's way down at Red. In a democracy how can you have 1% (Yellow) in power over the other 99% (below Yellow)? You can't. The politicians must pander to and reflect the average consciousness of the voters. In America, the average consciousness of the voter is Red/Blue/Orange, so that's mostly the only kind of leaders you will get. If a Yellow or above leader came into power, he would be demonized and hated by 90% of the population because he wouldn't reflect their values. You can see that sorta happened with Obama. Stage Red/Blue people absolutely hated him. Including Trump. If a Turquoise leader came in control, he would be killed. Examples: Jesus Gandhi MLK JFK (he wasn't anywhere near Turquoise, but still) Robert Kennedy (also not Turquoise, but still) For a leader to be effective, he must be only 1 step above his followers. Any more than that, and they will revolt against him. The problem with Trump is that he is actually 1 step below his followers, which is why we see the disaster unfolding today.

Hehe, of course. Infinite intelligence is at work in the movement of the entire universe. It all moves as one. Your ego cannot do that. Your ego is very linear and limited. If you want to be maximally creative, you need to get your ego out of the way so that you are directly tapping the infinite intelligence which is truly running the entire show and is responsible for all spontaneous insight -- on which artistic creative genius depends. The genius isn't yours, it's God's. The problem is that you've been mistaking God's genius for your own, you sneaky Devil The Devil struggles to write good music. For God, it is effortless.

No, you are wrong about that. You actually have zero control in that example. The problem is that you're not actually being mindful of what is happening when the arm is getting activated to move. If you very carefully observed the thought process happening which leads to the raising of the arm, you'd see that it wasn't in your control. The problem here is that you're looking at the example from your existing paradigm of: "I have control". But that's just an unverified belief. You haven't actually bothered to investigate whether you have control or not. You just assume it, and so of course it seems like you do. Try looking at the situation from the opposite paradigm: "I have no control". Try raising your arm again, but this time VERY SLOWLY, and notice that you are in fact not in control of it. In fact, you haven't got the slightest idea of how your arm is raised. You have no idea how you are even summoning the desire to raise the arm, nor how you are telling the arm what to do.

No, actually you don't control them AT ALL. Notice that you actually have ZERO control over your thoughts. Notice that you have no idea what thought will come in the next 3 seconds. Let alone any further out than that. BIG HAIRY PURPLE ELEPHANT. See, I just implanted a thought into your mind. You had zero control over it. In fact, I have more control over your thoughts than you do! FAST JUICY WEASEL. See! I did it again. I am in control of your thoughts! The thought that "I control my thoughts" is itself a thought that you did not control, did not will into being, but that just arose spontaneously. Apply more awareness to your actually process of thinking until you break this illusion that you have any control over them. Here's something to try: Stop all thoughts for the next 30 seconds. Notice you cannot do it. That should make you very suspicious of this idea that you control thoughts. If you had the control claim you have, you should easily be able to stop your thoughts for a measly 30 seconds. The entire notion of control is one big fat lie. You've never controlled anything in your life. You've only thought you have.

Your idea of nothing is backwards. Nothing isn't nothing, it's something. If you want to know what nothing looks like: it looks PRECISELY like what you call the "physical world", but also every other kind of world imaginable. Something and nothing are one. --------- You are not going to understand this with the mind. It is impossible. You're asking questions about the Absolute here. The Absolute is beyond your questions or anything you can imagine. Even after you experience the Absolute, it is still impossible to imagine it. That's how Absolute it is. It's sort of like seeing Bigfoot, but he looks so weird that you cannot see him again in your mind's eye even after you've clearly seen him. Unless, of course, you're looking at him right now. Imagine if you will that reality is an infinite mirage. It only appears to exist, but actually doesn't. Because there is no arbiter of what is real or unreal, everything is nothing. There is no such thing as an absolute reference frame for reality. It's sort of like being in outer space, where up and down have no meaning without the Earth's gravity as a reference frame. Your existence is the reference frame defining your reality. Without that reference frame, there is nothing. And your reference frame is itself a fiction.

Nothing

@hinawashi The corruption isn't a bug, it's the main feature. See... when nothing actually exists, the only way for it to come into being is through lies. There is no reality. So ego has to make one up. The reason you're not understanding this is because you assume a reality exists which can ground things. But in fact there cannot possibly be such a thing as reality. That's just the ego.

Well, nonduality is a tricky thing. It's sorta like the elephant in the room which nobody sees. And IF you see it, it might change your plans in life. But also, don't put the cart too far before the horse. You don't really know what nonduality entails, so as always you have to keep living your life using imperfect information. Your desire to help people psychologically is probably genuine. What nonduality would do is purify that desire and show you more effective ways of serving people than perhaps traditional psychotherapy. Don't get too far ahead of where you are. Ideas of enlightenment are not enlightenment, and will not feed or comfort you. It's still the best strategy to stick to what you're more passionate about.

This has been solved. Just use the Technical Support contact form in the future. If your router is dynamically changing IP addresses, that might be the issue. Using multiple devices from one or two locations is never blocked.

Jesus was a mushroom

@OnceMore Imagine being dead, but still being able to see out your eyes. That's it in a nutshell.

@sleeperstakes Because you ARE Truth.