Leo Gura

I would put Sasha Shulgin & Graham Hancock at Yellow and even a bit of Turquoise. They are quite evolved human beings.

Locking down these politically charged threads as they are just a juicy red herring. Back to the self-inquiry salt mines!

Locking down these politically charged threads as they are just a juicy red herring. Back to the self-inquiry salt mines!

Just even using the word "incel" is absurd.

I have a hunch this topic will veer in an ugly direction. Sorry. I know your intention was good, but let's not focus on political issues too much here. Notice how every political topic turns into the ego-mind justify its rightness. This is self-bias 101. The point of our work here with self-actualization is to become hyper aware of our own self-biases and put an end to them, rather than feeding them, the way political discussions usually do. Notice that 99% of what your mind thinking is self-agenda unfolding. Try to find a single thought you had today which wasn't related to advancing your survival. Watch yourself like a hawk. Nothing out of your mind is to be trusted as valid, truthful, or fair.

@Elisabeth There are stages if you learn how to apply the model. It takes study and care to apply it properly. Many people are stuck in Blue, Orange, and Green. And SD is good for showing you how to evolve up.

That's right. Spiral Dynamics does not map mysticism. Mysticism is way beyond Spiral Dynamics. Spiral Dynamics is talking about trends within the evolution of human culture and value systems. The problem with SD is that its inventors were not themselves mystics. So the model doesn't account well for mysticism. Ken Wilber is a mystic. So he has his own models which are similar to SD but which also account a bit more for nonduality. As I will say in the next video, once you reach Yellow, your goal should really be enlightenment, not Turquoise or SD. Break free of the entire cycle of life and death. Put all this nonsense monkey-business to rest. As good as Don Beck may think SD is for solving world problems, in the end, all world problems are just a hallucination. SD is ultimately Maya. Of which you must break free.

You guys with this Red Pill stuff... sigh... it's just garbage. It does not even warrant rebuttal. Reason, logic, and "scientific facts" are just being weaponized here to serve the ego's agenda. It's really just that simple. BTW, all politics is identity politics! That's the whole point of politics: to promote the survival of your identity. There is no truth or love or fairness in politics. It's self-survival 101. In the future I may start shutting down threads about JP's politics and all this incel talk. It is a distraction from actual self-actualization work. If you want to improve with women, go socialize with women. It's just that simple. Filling your mind with Red Pill theory or JP lectures will not get you laid. It will just make you bitter.

@Self Discovery Excellent work!

@How to be wise Nonduality transcends all models. Sadhguru is dead. He does not exist. He is infinite.

Psychedelics will do it.

Just the opposite. A depressed person is giving meaninglessness a negative meaning. If you are conscious that meaninglessness is meaningless, then you won't be depressed. People are bad at understanding nihilism.

Doesn't surprise me at all. His MMA background, his macho appearance, and his comedy background makes him very attractive to Blue/Orange alpha bro types. Joe covers a lot of shallow pop-culture topics which attracts Orange types. He has a very large audience though, so I think a lot of Green people watch him too. They aren't as vocal as his rabid alpha-bro fans. Right-wingers just tune out Joe's Green streaks. It would challenge their stereotype of Green Libtards and SJW to admit that Joe is Green. After all, Green is supposed to be unreasonable and deluded.

For you alpha-bros in the audience who still don't fathom Green, here it is from Joe Rogan's mouth in 2 minutes: That's Green triggered by Blue/Orange. He's even wearing a green tie-dye shirt with peace symbols and hearts! LOL

There is still plenty of Purple and Red culture in the Middle East, Africa, South America, South East Asia. You deal with it by studying Spiral Dynamics and becoming a Spiral Wizard.

Not sure whether Hoftstadter qualifies as solid Yellow. He's still trapped in materialism, but he's a great example of post-rational thinking. So close yet so far...

Brilliant integral thinker:

Incredible wisdom contained in his books.

Paul Feyerabend was a very important Yellow thinker in epistemology and philosophy of science:

Fritjof Capra is quintessential Yellow, starting to turn Turquoise. A brilliant systems thinker:

@fireworld You are not going to understand the limits of science whilst you are stuck inside the paradigm of scientism. Me trying to argue against science with you would be like me trying to argue against Islam with a fundamentalist Muslim. It's pointless because you accept science as a dogma without being aware that you are doing so. If you care about the Truth, you will make a serious inquiry into the limits of science on your own. You're right about one thing: science is pragmatic. But pragmatism is the ego-mind's survival agenda, which has nothing to do with Truth or deep understanding. In an illusory world, illusion, lying, deception, imagination, and manipulation is highly effective for the purposes of maintaining and advancing oneself as an illusion.

Well... since it accords with you it must be true. That's called scientism. You've just replaced blind belief in Allah with blind belief in science. It's the same shell game, just using different shells.

Flying a private jet does not preclude one from being Yellow. You really expect a huge celebrity like Di Caprio to fly public? He would be hounded by fanboys all day long. A guy like that needs body guards around him. You're talking about one of the most famous people in the whole world. With all that said, Di Caprio seems more Orange/Green to me.

@fireworld Let me rewrite what you wrote from stage Blue's POV thinking about your stage (Orange). Orange Stupidity: The idea behind Spiral Dynamics is that you go through the stages and incorporate the previous stages into the higher ones to some extent. Given this shouldn't stage Orange have a decent amount of understanding of how religion and morality works? I understand that there are limits to religion and that it can be done in an unhealthy way, but from my perspective every person that i have met that is in stage Orange is extremely selfish and disconnected from "moral living". Take the human body as an example of a system, we know that this system called a human body operates in certain ways that keeps it healthy and strong. Proper food, sleep, prayer, fasting, chastity, and so on. But the stage Oranges seem to be extremely against any "set" rules for keeping your materialistic cravings in check. They will take something like casual sex or greasy fast food or alcohol and call it healthy even though we know it isn't healthy at all and is most likely going to be the thing that kills you. The same is true about business, or relationships or anything that we have a deep understanding of. Our religious leaders have long ago pointed out the evils of having a materialistic worldview. Materialism leads to a rejection of God, a mindless belief in technological progress and science, and is responsible for greed, corporate exploitation, objectification of women, sex addiction, drug addiction, food addiction, pornography, crude humor, violent video games, nuclear weapons, depression, suicide, loss of direction, broken marriages, single mothers, STDs, abortions, and much more. Isn't Orange corrupting the very fabric of decent society, turning it into the devil's playground? How can Orange be so stupid as to expect happiness from money, fine clothing, technological gadgetry, TV, video games, Facebook, sex before marriage, pornography, drugs, and rock n roll? Isn't Orange the embodiment of depravity and godlessness? Isn't this the greatest limiting factor to stage Orange? Is that they are completely ignoring how spiritual reality actually works and that's the reason they end up in so much trouble and pain?

@DoubleYou That's what happens when someone puts LSD in your donuts