Leo Gura

It tends to be very traditional and conservative. Of course not always. But you have to see Zen as more than just enlightenment. Zen is an entire tradition, like Hinduism is. Even though Zen and Hinduism can lead you to enlightenment, they are usually dogmatic and Blue in their value structure. I don't doubt their enlightenment. You can be enlightened but your value system can still be very traditional and conservative. Enlightenment alone is not enough to take you to Turquoise. Enlightenment will not magically transform your value system to Yellow or Turquoise. Spiral Dynamics is not directly tracking one's progress towards enlightenment. That is not what the model was designed for.

Blue vs Green

@How to be wise I'm only one man. I don't have enough time in the day to cover every topic under the sun. I'll get to it eventually.

Blue triggered by Green.

Solid Green

The 9/11 hijackers were also Blue. Which Blue Americans find very offensive when that's pointed out to them because it's too much truth for Blue to admit. Blue has to deny the atrocities of Blue in order to stay Blue. Blue has a good set of justifications for distinguishing itself from other forms of Blue which are obviously unhealthy.

Marcus Aurelius' Meditations are Blue at it's healthiest. Although, Aurelius has been criticized by historians for exterminating Christians. Which is not at all surprising.

Hacksaw Ridge is probably the most positive depiction of stage Blue you're gonna find: Not surprising, given Mel Gibson is a stage Blue kinda guy, so he glorifies Blue.

Well... it's a broad generalization. I can't know for sure. But Blue is the type of person who would die in the call of duty for his country/people. Reminds of the movie Ladder 49, which was a stage Blue tearjerker: Same phenomena as jumping on a grenade to save your troops. Classic Blue move.

Hoho! The Blue mother lode.

@the_wanderer That is a metaphore. Conciousness/reality is not a metaphore. It is itself. You cannot access Truth via metaphore. So you're gonna have to let it go eventually if you want to awaken. Reality is not anything but itself.

@B_Naz You are treating this topic too much like philosophy. Rather than speculating, sit down and contemplate: What is a thought? Where does it come from? Where does it go? The answers are all there in your direct experience. Asking us about it will not help you. It's distraction from the work you should be doing. The topic of thoughts or consciousness is not a theoretical one. Thoughts are happening in real-time for you right now! So look at them to see what they are. Don't think about thoughts. Observe thoughts happening.

@WildeChilde Enough of this nationalist nonsense. I don't even understand why you're on this forum. Consciousness is not for you. Nationalism is ego, plain and simple.

Yup

@AdamDiC For 18, you're doing awesome! Just keep taking baby steps. Start a Kriya Yoga practice. It will help you enormously with embodiment.

The practical implications are so enormous you cannot even being to fathom them, and they cannot be easily explained to a materialist such as yourself. Reality does not exist! You were never born! You invented every single problem in your life! Do you realize how significant that is? It seems like abstraction to you because all you're doing is holding idealism as an idea in your mind, while holding materialism as REALITY. But what you fail to see is that to truly realize idealism means that your entire notion of reality will crumble. You're not interested in having that happen, so you merely entertain idealism as an idea. And of course, an idea of enlightenment is a pure abstraction with no practice consequences for your life. It is as though you are a poor man on the street complaining: "But Leo! How is the idea of being a billionaire going to change my life? It's pure abstraction! How is that going to feed me? Ideas don't pay bills." You're right! The idea of being a billionaire will not feed you. But I am not talking about an idea of being a billionaire. I am talking about a cold hard billion dollars in your pocket. Not the idea of it, but the actual thing. Take some LSD and see for yourself what you're missing. Here's a very simple practical implication: An idealist is immortal and cannot die. A materialist will die. And there are thousands more practical consequences of idealism. Like the ability to heal yourself of serious physical diseases using your mind. Which a materialist cannot do.

You might as well ask, "Why did the mirage in the desert allow the desert to exist?" Stop masturbating and go do some self-inquiry.