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That is definitely true. However, I don't listen to their words, I look at MJ's behavior.

Love is an ontological matter. If you regard it as a feeling that means you don't understand what it really is. That is analogous to the mistake of saying that truth is just an idea. Imagine if Ralston was teaching about Truth and I stood up and said, "But truth is just an idea man! It's just a word in your head."

This is good, fair analysis of the situation:

No. Love has nothing do with semantics. You are either conscious that everything is Love or you are not. If this puzzles you, then you aren't conscious of Love. If is no different than the word God. If the word God puzzles you, then you aren't conscious of it. When you say, "But calling it love is just a word", that means you haven't realized Love. It's not just a word. Infinite Love is being pointed to and you're not getting it.

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Orange thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Orange. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Orange thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Orange. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. List of Orange Values: Achievement, success, excellence Climb your way to the top Upward mobility Obsessed with being #1, be a winner Improving one’s own position in life Efficiency, progress, productivity, optimization Gaming the system, min-maxing, manipulation Creative exploitation Action, results, pragmatism Never-ending growth Capitalism, libertarianism Competitive marketplace Deregulation, denationalization Hard work, business, entrepreneurship Competition, winner-take-all Self-improvement Skills, knowledge, education Confidence, optimism, charisma Entertainment & showmanship Personal freedom, self-reliance, independence Free speech Money, sex, luxury Net worth Physical appearance, youth, sexiness, coolness Consumerism, conspicuous consumption Brands Pop culture, celebrities, social media Quarterly profits, mass market, sales Mass production, industry Rationality, logic, science, secularism, humanism Technology Materialism, reductionism, atheism, evolution Hard-nosed science, no New Age mumbo-jumbo Pragmatism, empiricism, skepticism No metaphysics Analysis “Facts” Data, analytics, models, quantify everything Science-based fact-based education Double-blind, peer-reviewed studies “Scientific method” IQ Strategic planning, risk analysis Innovation & creative thinking Results & the bottom-line matters most Maintaining a competitive edge Competence vs rank or bloodline Recognition, reward Win-win outcomes Stage Orange Examples: America, capitalism, emerging China, businessmen, CEOs, biz suits, corporate boardrooms, lawyers, Wall Street, Wolf of Wall Street, insider trading, Manhattan, hedge-fund managers, Goldman Sachs, Big pharma, Big oil, Big banks, tobacco companies, advertising, Fortune 500 companies, entrepreneurs, libertarians, Ayn Rand, professional sports, FIFA, NBA, Superbowl, sponsorship deals, fashion, Rolex, nightclubs, pickup, MOGTOW, redpill, bro culture, Republicans, Trump, trophy hunting, breast implants, plastic surgery, Botox, liposuction, pornography, Playboy, Hustler magazine, Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt, strip clubs, Hollywood biz, supermodels, Silicon Valley, start-ups, venture capital, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, casinos, theme parks, Carl Icahn, Koch Brothers, corporate raiders, Walmart, Amazon, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Disney, Monsanto, Microsoft, GE, AT&T, IBM, Facebook, EA, micro-transactions, gamer culture, Enron, R&D, lobbyists, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, yuppies, internet, bodybuilding, Arnold, steroids, corrupt politicians, MBA programs, golf courses, fly fishing, anti-union laws, patent trolls, Western medicine, Larry Ellison, Steve Ballmer, Dave Rubin, Stefan Molyneux, outsourcing, deregulation, tax cuts, trickle down economics, payday loans, sweatshops, junk food, fast food, energy drinks, used car salesman, marketing, sales & PR, focus groups, television, reality TV, infomercials, game shows, CNN, MSNBC, liberal media, e-commerce, financial industry, software engineers, technical scientists, nuclear weapons, luxury yachts, private jets, personal helicopters, real estate tycoons, railroads, the Gilded Age, Robber Barons, Andrew Carnegie, Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, William Hurst, Rupert Murdoch, Robert Mercer, technocrats, cocaine, alcohol, pop music, rock music, club music, rap music, trophy wife, gold-digger, oil drilling in Alaska, champagne & caviar, fancy restaurants, luxury resorts, cruise ships, mercenaries, Black Water, gated communities, mansions, video games, Success magazine, private prep schools, poker players, self-help industry, biz books, biz seminars, marketing seminars, Dan Kennedy, Tim Ferris, Tony Robbins, Tai Lopez, Brian Tracy, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Daniel Dennett, Sean Carroll, Stephen Hawking, Christopher Hitchens, consulting, success coaches, millionaire mindset, net worth, sports cars, Mercedes, BMW, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini, Ferrari, VIP, celebrities, paparazzi, Las Vegas, Cannes film festival, Aspen, Palm Springs, Hong Kong, Macau, Dubai, cost/benefit analysis, nerd culture, polyester clothing, PT Barnum, snake oil salesman, atheism, skepticism, separation of church & state, enlightenment values, “Western values”, Founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin, Voltaire, Renaissance, Industrial Revolution, factories, Henry Ford, WTO, Ferengi, Kim Kardashian, Kanye West, Paris Hilton, Bernie Madoff, Paul Manafort, sex drugs & rock n roll, mid-life crises, malls, fashion shows, NASA, SpaceX, Elon Musk, for-profit universities, get-rich-quick schemes, online millionaires, Bitcoin, Forex, daytrading, utilitarianism, Logical Positivism, behaviorism, Darwinism, social media, gun rights, Ivy League universities, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, CalTech, military industrial complex: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, Sigmund Freud, Harvey Weinstein, 2008 financial collapse, dot com bubble, Cubism, Abstract Expressionism, Surrealism, multi-level marketing, Viagra, DDT, asbestos, billboards, GMOs, cloning, human genome project, stem cell research, robotics, computers, birth control, sex education, all-you-can-eat buffet, karoshi: death thru overwork, Alex Jones, prosperity preachers, Howard Stern, South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, House Of Cards, Avatar, Boiler Room, Ray Kurzweil, Sam Harris

This is bad logic. The point of all this work is to unify various ideas in your divided mind. World and mind are two different things until you realize they are identical. And so on.

This is an unnecessary demonization. He wasn't a monster. He was just messed up in the head. Technically we don't know if he had sex with them. But we know for sure he slept in the same bed with them. Which is already wrong. And that he didn't see it as wrong is doubly wrong. From what I understand it was confirmed that he gave kids wine and porn. That is enough for me. I don't need to know anymore.

I challenge you to invent a new concept or word related to our work here. Anything related to self-actualization, consciousness work, spirituality, politics, philosophy, psychology, mind, psychedelics. Example: Leftsplaining Example: Epistemic Scoundrel Rules: Come up with a catchy, memorable name for it. Define what your word means and what it does not mean. Give a few examples of how the word can be used. Explain why this new concept is meaningful, important, or useful. Be creative. I will feature any excellent submissions on my blog, with credit.

It's not a theory. That is absolutely the case. What the fuck does this prove? It proves nothing. You are using the logic of a child. Pain does not disprove Oneness/Unity. If you put your hand in the fire it will hurt. Hurt is also you. Still puzzles me how he cannot see that Oneness/Unity is Love. This is the single most important ontological insight ever. How he misses boggles my mind.

That is poor logic. Criminals self-snitch. MJ is so messed up in the head that he doesn't even understand it's wrong. A guy like him could have sex with a child and feel fully convinced it was good for the child. I'm sure is his mind it's all just love. The real question you should be asking yourself is this: Why didn't MJ have any sexual relationships with hot women which he could easily have gotten? MJ was obviously not into adult women. And I don't think he was into adult men either. So either he was completely asexual, or he was a pedo. Which do you think is more likely? MJ fans want me to buy that MJ was asexual. I don't buy it. MJs lifestyle and behavior around children was exactly what you'd expect of a pedophile. Many pedophiles don't think what they do is wrong. They see it as love.

No. It is wrong per se. Children do not need MJ sleeping in their bed. That is the definition of wrong.

Yeah, but the puzzle is how that is possible. How can one be conscious of Infinity but not conscious of Love?

Infinity. Once again, there is nothing which is not you.

@emil1234 That is a mystery for the ages. The original Enlightenment Intensive format created by Charles Berner included the question What is love? Ralston got rid of it, thereby corrupting it. He never got it. And none of Ralston's students know that. They just blindly trust him like mindless monkeys.

I didn't say it was just your mindset. I said the economy is fucking enormous. My point was about the economy. Even a bad economy enables crazy individual wealth. The economy is always in your favor.

MJ fans expect us to give a pass to a 40 year old man sleeping in bed with kids for fun and nothing wrong about that? That is the delusion. It makes no difference if he has sex with them or not, every 40 year old man knows it is wrong to sleep with kids in the same bed. Stop making excuses for this kind of behavior. The fact that MJ doesn't see anything wrong in this shows how crazy he and his fans are. You don't get to sleep with kids "for fun" in the same bed as a 40 year old man. End of story. Makes no difference how good your music is or how messed up your childhood was. You want me to believe MJ wasn't into sex with kids when he was into everything else about kids and had zero adult sexual relationships? What kind of fool do you take me for?

Lol. Infinity is literally Love. He is wrong. It has nothing to do with belief. Of course God is Love. What the fuck else would it be? Anything Ralston disagrees with is a belief to him. Which is quite self-deceived. You are never going to get Ralston to understand Love. So stop trying. This issue is settled. You guys gotta stop emailing him about this. That newsletter has misled so many people at this point.

Because otherwise you'd be batshit crazy. Which some people are.

@No1Here2c Infinite Consciousness needs to imagine a finite human life in order for you to feel like a human inside a world. This involves inventing a stream of very realistic memories of your origin. These memories create the foundation for a sense of human self. Without these memories you literally would not be human. You have to believe your memories are real, otherwise you would no longer be a self. You invented the very notion of "a memory". But what is a memory? How can it even exist? You never questioned this. You just took for granted that memories are a thing.

You are imagining the past right now. There is no past otherwise. Infinity has no past. It has to invent it.

MJ fans are pure zombies. All they care about is loving his music and defending him. It is like a cult. You cannot reason with them. MJ was a disturbed freak. He openly admits to sleeping with children in the same bed. He doesn't even see anything wrong with that. That is how deluded he is.

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Yellow thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Yellow. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Yellow thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Yellow. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. Stage Yellow Values: Nuance & complexity Openmindedness Perspective Novel concepts & POVs Generating fresh insights Understanding Systems thinking Nonlinear dynamics Sustainability, long time frames Going meta Big picture vs technical analysis Holistic analysis Synthesis Connecting the dots Penetrating to the core of an issue Identifying & solving root problems A multi-disciplinary approach Mixing hard & soft sciences Creativity, outside-the-box solutions Ecology Responsible ways of being Studying models Spiral Dynamics Natural hierarchies Education, knowledge, research, reading Reading lots of diverse books Clean content, concentrated information Life-long learning Expertise, competence, experience Context, learning from history Developing skills to become an instrument for the greater whole Independent thinking Neutrality: Being objective/impartial Designing solutions for the entire Spiral Meeting people where they are at Building bridges Social engineering Ecological designs Reducing the suffering of living systems Pulling ideas from many sources Combining different ideas, models, theories Left-brained Vision & purpose, being a visionary Requisite variety, mental flexibility Self-actualization Paradox Uncertainty Responsibility, independence, autonomy Being a lone-wolf Stage Yellow Examples: Abraham Maslow, Eben Pagan, Fritjof Capra, Carl Sagan, quantum mechanics, fathers of quantum mechanics, David Bohm, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrodinger, Arthur Eddington, Richard Feynman, Freeman Dyson, John Archibald Wheeler, Joseph Campbell, Erich Fromm, Clare Graves, Don Beck, Spiral Dynamics, Ilya Prigogine, chaos theory, cybernetics, biomimetics, NLP, Alfred Korzybski, the leading edge of academia, futurists, StarTrek humans & Vulcans, Prime Directive, sustainable living, ecology, eco cities, conflict resolution, Wikipedia, Buckminster Fuller

Without school you would be a chimpanzee throwing your feces at others like yourself.

You are talking nonsense. Kids need school. You have not invented anything better than school.

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