Leo Gura

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

I am not talking about any particular substance. I am talking about Consciousness in general. Substance is irrelevant. It is true under all substances and no substances.

Then you're describing a positive mushroom trip

@Judy2 Sure, loss of self/awakening can also come with psychotic or schizophrenic elements. There is an endless variety of trans-human, no-self states of consciousness. Loss of self is not some unique state. It's an entire domain of states. In fact, the self state is a tiny island amidst an Ocean of Selflessness. You're basically describing a bad mushroom trip.

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Blue thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Blue. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Blue thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. Conservative talk show hosts offer tons of Blue material, but also try to find other unique examples. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But for now, let's just focus on Blue. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. Stage Blue values: Absolute truth cannot be questioned Only one right way to live Belief, faith, certainty Objective right & wrong Good & evil exist The devil is real Hard work, discipline, duty Law & order Justice, stability, security Sinners deserve punishment & no compassion Hierarchy, social order, status quo Patriarchy, women serve men Meaning & greater purpose Morality Defending one's culture Culture, tradition, heritage Crusading for a righteous cause Serving God Theology Root out the heretics & traitors Doctrine, ideology Orthodoxy, dogma, conformity Family, family values Obedience, reverence Respect for elders God & country Patriotism Righteous living Honor, principles, moral codes of conduct Good manners, decency, etiquette Finds profanity offensive, blasphemy Dress & hair regulations Prayer Pride in one’s civilization: we are the best Canonical texts cannot be questioned: Bible, Quran, Torah, Gita, Constitution, Upanishads, Vedas, Buddha Holy book is the literal word of God Strict literal reading of holy books Obeying authority: Pope, Muhammad, Allah, God, Christ, Buddha, Confucius, etc. Afterlife, heaven, hell, salvation are real Strict church attendance Ceremony, rituals Sobriety, chastity, virginity, anal self-control, restraint Charity, giving back to my community Loyalty Enforcing borders Building character & moral fiber National identity Cultural superiority Stage Blue Examples: Middle East, Palestinians, Zionists, Saudi Arabia, Medieval Europe, Iran, Pakistan, Indian caste system, Puritanism, Confucian China, Islamic fundamentalism, Wahhabism, Hasidic Judaism, the Salvation Army, patriotism, standing for the National Anthem, Zen monastery, Catholic Church, evangelicals, religious Right, Conservatives, Republicans, Boy Scouts & Girl Scouts, Sharia law, banning birth control, banning abortion, banning flag burning, border wall, anti-immigration, witch trials, Crusades, Roy Moore, Alt-Right, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, KKK, Noah’s Ark read literally, Ten Commandments, uniforms, Catholic nuns, Amish, Shakers, The Bible-belt, American South, The Moral Majority, Newt Gingrich, Billy Graham, Rev Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, George W Bush, Mike Pence, gay conversion therapy, kamikaze pilots, Samurai Code, harakiri, Marathon Monks of Mt Hiei, Hindu religion, Hindu family, Islamic family, Mormons, Creationism, the war on Christmas, Bill O’Reily, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Fox News, 2nd Amendment, mandatory military service, codes of honor, virginity pledges, nationalism, Victorian England, military families, police officers, firefighters, blue collar workers, Nazi managers & generals, ethos of Starship Troopers, religious terrorism, Spanish Inquisition, imperialism, missionaries, Spanish conquistadors, Magellan, Hare Krishnas, soldier jumps on grenade, theocracy, prayer in school, Communist China, colonial South, Imperial Japan, patriarchy, culture warriors, right-wing talk shows, Romulans from StarTrek, TV evangelists, Bible school, colonial duels, Maoist China, 20th century Marxism, holy war, battles over holy ground, grand cathedrals temples & mosques, protect children from sexual corruption, killing apostates, imprisoning homosexual, unequal women’s rights, prayer in school, sanctity of marriage, Japanese tea ceremony, country music, war on drugs, Ben Shapiro, NASCAR, hunting, confederate flag, Sarah Palin, John McCain, Tucker Carlson, Fox & Friends, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Jeff Sessions, Ann Coulter, Ben Carson, Breitbart News, Steve Bannon, Brexit, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Rodrigo Duterte, caning in Singapore, death penalty, segregation, Jim Crow laws, whining about reverse racism, etc.

This isn't hypothetical. Mystics and spiritually talented people like Teal Swan have naturally looser default states of consciousness. That's why they become mystics. It comes naturally to them. Yet they are not schizophrenic. So there are dysfunctional and functional versions of porosity of the boundary. The Muhammad of the Koran is one example of such a person, if the stories are to be trusted.

I'm trying to showcase some of the artistry of Consciousness.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. But also, I think some forms of it are more curable than others. They are not all equal. The boundary can have various degrees and kinds of porosity, and for various reasons. The majority of schizophrenia is not going to cure easily. It's a pretty serious condition. But, of course, it's worth a try.

I didn't say that. Delta 9 THC is the most obvious thing to try. You are not going to isolate them. That's very complicated.

The number of ways to be broken far outnumber the number of ways to be functional. Which is why you can't make life by just mixing a bunch of chemicals together in a blender. Sanity requires near-perfect precision. Madness doesn't.

Because it's a band-aid over a genetic defect. The real cure is to re-write the genetics.

@aurum It's a genetic/chemical disorder. The protocol is chemical. Anti-psychotics. Maybe yoga might help with it. Unsure. It needs a physiological intervention, not a mindset one.

Spiral Dynamics gives you this.

Yes

@OBEler If cannabis works on you, test the entire gamut of cannabinoids.

I didn't say it is good. I said it is effective.

This assumes a lot.

I'd rather not since you guys will just run out and copy me. It's better if you do your own testing.

The YouTube recommendations algorithm keeps getting worse and worse, suggesting shallow crap. We need to crowd-source this problem. Let's begin keeping a list of the best, unknown YouTube channels. I'm always looking for high-quality channels related to philosophy, psychology, political science, sociology, history, documentaries, geography, travel, etc. I'm looking for serious channels with mature people who talk about mature subjects. Not drama, not culture wars, not clickbait, not entertainment. Channels with interesting, high-quality content. Channels that are educational and add to our understanding of the world. These channels usually have fewer subscribers, less popular. If you know of such channels, if you find new channels of this kind, please share them here. When you share the link, please write a few words about what the channel is about and why it's worth watching. I will share the best of these suggestions on my blog as well. Thank you. Examples of the kind of channels I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/@TheDissenterRL/videos https://www.youtube.com/@WHATISPOLITICS69/videos https://www.youtube.com/@SoftWhiteUnderbelly/videos https://www.youtube.com/@thestoa/videos https://www.youtube.com/@IntegralNaked/videos https://www.youtube.com/@LetsTalkReligion/videos

Thanks. I appreciate it.

I have vaped pure muscimol. It had no effect on me.

That is false. You can know Consciousness using consciousness.

"The jab". As soon as I hear someone saying "the jab" I die inside of cringe.

God is a centipede crawling up your pee hole.

Wisdom is knowing when to be serious and when to be playful. Foolishness means taking unserious things too seriously, and take serious things unseriously. Notice that deluded and mentally disturbed people take things way too seriously that shouldn't be taken seriously at all. And they are unable to laugh at themselves and their own deluded narratives. The sage only takes the most important things seriously, and laughs about everything else.