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Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Yellow thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Yellow. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Yellow thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Yellow. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. Stage Yellow Values: Nuance & complexity Openmindedness Perspective Novel concepts & POVs Generating fresh insights Understanding Systems thinking Nonlinear dynamics Sustainability, long time frames Going meta Big picture vs technical analysis Holistic analysis Synthesis Connecting the dots Penetrating to the core of an issue Identifying & solving root problems A multi-disciplinary approach Mixing hard & soft sciences Creativity, outside-the-box solutions Ecology Responsible ways of being Studying models Spiral Dynamics Natural hierarchies Education, knowledge, research, reading Reading lots of diverse books Clean content, concentrated information Life-long learning Expertise, competence, experience Context, learning from history Developing skills to become an instrument for the greater whole Independent thinking Neutrality: Being objective/impartial Designing solutions for the entire Spiral Meeting people where they are at Building bridges Social engineering Ecological designs Reducing the suffering of living systems Pulling ideas from many sources Combining different ideas, models, theories Left-brained Vision & purpose, being a visionary Requisite variety, mental flexibility Self-actualization Paradox Uncertainty Responsibility, independence, autonomy Being a lone-wolf Stage Yellow Examples: Abraham Maslow, Eben Pagan, Noam Chomsky, Fritjof Capra, Carl Sagan, quantum mechanics, fathers of quantum mechanics, David Bohm, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrodinger, Arthur Eddington, Richard Feynman, Freeman Dyson, John Archibald Wheeler, Paul Feyerabend, Kurt Godel, Obama, George Soros, Joseph Campbell, Erich Fromm, Clare Graves, Don Beck, Spiral Dynamics, Ilya Prigogine, chaos theory, cybernetics, biomimetics, NLP, Alfred Korzybski, the leading edge of academia, futurists, StarTrek humans & Vulcans, Prime Directive, sustainable living, ecology, eco cities, conflict resolution, Shinzen Young’s mindfulness system, Wikipedia, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Jacques Derrida, Buckminster Fuller, W.V.O. Quine, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Paul Allen, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan

Nothing is missing in 5-MeO. It is all that and more.

No, they are very different. Although God can still be "visible" so to speak in the insane states, or not. There are thousands of different weird, higher, and sideways states.

Hell is other people

There's also loss in meditation. You lose your progress after a retreat.

I pulled it out of my ass. But mental institutions are filled with such people. And of course even more who never check themselves in. If you want to learn more, you can read the books and research of Stan Grof. He's studied this domain a lot. I am not qualified to speak about mental illness. I just have my theories about it based on my own explorations of insane consciousness.

5-MeO is rough. The loss of God afterward is rough to handle.

This was actually the Third Coming. The Second Coming already happened on this forum 5 years ago. And of course that person also had to be eventually banned for trying to start a cult around himself. There are many ways this work can be abused.

@Judy2 The issue of mental illness, multiple personality disorder, insanity, Awakening, and God is extremely complex. Do not settle for simplistic answers. The ego that we talk about in terms of Awakening and no-self, is different than the self that is being talked about in the case of multiple personality disorder. Multiple personality disorder is a much more strange and twisted thing, which involves very unusual and complex self dynamics which do not exist in normal spiritual work. This will also be true for other serious mental disorders like schizophrenia. However, of course, in the end, all of this phenomena is Consciousness, so there are interesting overlaps and connections. People with heavy mental disorders or just strong neuro-divergence generally have looser baseline states of consciousness than ordinary folks. Their minds are less locked down, which means they are more unstable and chaotic. Weird forms can arise like demonic voices, seeing entities, seeing auras, etc. The more loose consciousness is, like on a psychedelic, the more chaotic and unstable it is, the more imaginative is it, the more it can hallucinate mystical stuff. So yes, there is a connection between spiritual experiences and mental disorders because the normal human mind is so locked down that it never has a single spiritual experience ever. This makes the mind optimizes for mundane survival, like working in a factory. A more chaotic mind is more unstable and more artistic and more spiritual, which is why artists tend to be more psychotic and weird. There is a wide spectrum between pure logical material rational mind and wild chaotic unstable psychotic mind. There's always a tradeoff between the two. Psychedelics are the best example of loser consciousness. The point of a psychedelic is to make the mind more psychotic and insane. There is more than one way for sense of self and loss of self to occur. There are healthy and unhealthy ways. Enlightenment is one way, but borderline personality disorder is something else. The self is a very weird, rich, and complete thing. It is not a simple binary on/off switch. You can have all sorts of weird notions of self, some of them healthy and others not. You should not assume that the no-self of Awakening/Enlightenment will fix your mental instability or mental health issues. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. And maybe it will even make it worse. It's impossible to predict. Yes, developing a healthy ego is generally important before you go deconstructing the whole thing. A child needs to form a health sense of self. And this matter goes far into adulthood. The reason mental illness relates to spirituality is because both are about having a looser sense of not just self, but also reality. As your sense of material reality loosens you will start to experience more mystical phenomena. This mystical phenomena could be positive, negative, or neutral. It's hard to predict. You could see angels, you could see demons, you could see space kangaroos. You could hear the voice of God, you could hear the voice of Satan, you could hear the voice of an alien. As the mind loosens you have to be more and more careful about self-deception and delusion because you can have very powerful, very deceptive hallucinations of things are not part of consensus material reality. That kind of mind is also very prone to making shit up and wild grandiose fantasy. Finding a healthy balance on that spectrum is important. For people with mental illness the cure is about finding ways to ground yourself in reality vs fantasy. To make the mind less loose. You need a mind more like that of a factory worker than a psychotic. This can be achieved through medication, therapy, trauma healing, spiritual work, yoga, or whatever else. For me, my goal is to become more psychotic. Because my mind is naturally too rigid.

Unless they ain't.

Very true. I learned the most from watching my wingmen, not from cramming theory. Having one good wingman is worth $10,000 easily.

@Dodo That's an ingenious solution.

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Green thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Green. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour Youtube and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Green thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Green. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. Stage Green Values: Love, heart, soul, empathy, intimacy, kindness Compassion, mercy, leniency Humanism, liberalism, social progress Equality: gender, race, economic Everyone is equal Egalitarianism/Democracy Anti-materialist, anti-consumerist, anti-greed Social conscience Supporting humanitarian causes Activism & protests Live-and-let-live attitude Diversity, multiculturalism Cosmopolitanism Flattening hierarchies Cultural relativism Relationships, bonding Pacifism, peace Finding common ground Harmony Human well-being Interpersonal skills Warm interaction, hugs Pleasing everyone Sensitivity Femininity Teamwork Dialoguing Sharing ideas and feelings Mind-altering drugs Exploring altered states of consciousness Spirituality Spiritual but not religious Communal spirituality Environment, ecology Back to nature Sustainability Recycling Human-centered, heart-centered communities Protect the vulnerable, help the downtrodden Redistribution of resources, level playing field Inclusiveness, everyone gets an opportunity Don’t exclude anyone Tolerance Openmindedness Free love, intimate sex Sex education Cooperation vs competition Animals, children, the disabled, minorities Creativity, beauty, art Gurus Bringing people of the world together Socialism Crying, expressing vulnerable emotions Intuition over logic Right brained Health food & exercise Stage Green Examples: Burning Man, hippies, New Age, Green party, Greenpeace, vegans, vegetarians, liberals, progressives, Democrats, Bernie Sanders, Obama, TYT, Bill Maher, The Daily Show, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Sam Seder’s Majority Report, John Oliver, Democracy Now, “liberal news media”, Vox, VICE, New York Times, MSNBC hosts, CNN hosts, Keith Olbermann, Michael Moore, Al Gore, Donny Deutsch, Noam Chomsky, Sean Penn, Al Franken, social workers, community organizers, spiritual meet up groups, university culture, SJWs, political correctness, LGBTQ rights, gender pronouns, protecting minorities, post-modernism, feminism, “Neo-Marxists”, abortion rights, planned parenthood, pacifism, ACLU, #MeToo, Antifa, support groups, tree huggers, bleeding hearts, Care Bears, animal rights, anti-war protests, Occupy Wall Street, charities, non-profits, NGOs, organic farming, organic food, recycling, global warming, music festivals, flower child, 60’s counter-culture, Haight Ashbury, Woodstock, the Beatniks, The Beatles, John Lennon, Bob Marley, Willie Nelson, marijuana legalization, psychedelics, Timothy Leary, Terence McKenna, Ram Dass, psychotherapy, progressive school teachers, liberal supreme court judges, 9th circuit court of appeals, socialists, redistribution of wealth, drum circles, neo-shamans, communes, Doctors Without Borders, universal healthcare, sensitivity training, non-denominational churches, health food stores, Wholefoods, Wholefoods rabbit meat, Western yoga, Reiki, Western Buddhism, massage therapy, chiropractors, naturopaths, meditation as a fad, TM, crystals, yoni eggs, juice cleanses, detox, green smoothies, colonics, spas, scented candles, burning incense, aromatherapy, tie-dye shirts, Kombucha, probiotics, soy, gluten-free, farmer’s markets, non-GMO, Fair Trade, Che Guevara, Oprah, Nelson Mandela, Pope Francis, anti-vaxers, Hollywood politics, save the whales, Esalen institute, humanistic psychology, transpersonal psychology, co-ops, Montessori schools, Scandinavia, the Scandinavian prison system, California, San Francisco, Oregon, Austin, Mass, Sedona AZ, NY, Seattle, Hawaii, Canada, Northern Europe, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Iceland, denuclearization, equal pay, free college for all, basic universal income, amnesty, affirmative action, gun control, assault weapons ban, pro-Union, pro-EPA, cutting defense spending, open borders, higher taxes, lenient penalties, abolish death penalty, drug rehab centers, homeopathy, astrology, hypnosis, the Bill Gates Foundation, Dr. Albert Schweitzer, MLK, JFK, RFK, life coaching, children’s rights advocates, protecting endangered species, mentoring programs, helping the elderly, cleaning up the environment, back to Earth movement, cotton clothing, minimalism, Peace Corps, plot of Avatar, civil rights, human rights, watchdog groups, Prius, Tesla, Smart car, electric scooters, commuting on bicycles, solar power, wind power, renewable energy, corporate culture at Google & Apple, warning stickers, safety codes, talk therapy, grown men crying, Utopian communes, Mind Valley, Into The Wild: Chris McCandless, the UN, cultural appropriation, activists, local co-ops, mental health professionals, teachers, the Ultra Spiritual guy, Tantric sex, ayahausca retreats, conscientious objectors, yin-yang & peace tattoos, Osho’s ashram, Russell Brand

@puporing Okay. Take care. Good bye.

@puporing I will be asking you to leave this forum. Your views have reached an extreme that is not compatible with the things and values that I teach. I am not going to keep constantly clashing with you about this matter. You can hold whatever views you want, but my patience with entertaining them is finite. I have tolerated your views for a long time now. You clearly have no intention of ever changing your mind about anything, nor are you open to the things I teach. If you think you are so smart and advanced, I recommend that you start your own teachings because what you're doing here is counter-productive. This community is designed around a certain set of values and principles. You are free to have opposite and different values and principles, but then you should be doing that on your own. If you want to teach your version of spirituality, start your own school and see how that turns out.

Read Leo's bible. Line #2

They expect you to do practices without questioning or thinking about them. Monkey see, monkey do.

I know promoters but even promoters will not be able to get you into a top club for free on Fri/Sat without a group of hot girls alongside you. A solo guy cannot get into clubs for free on Fri/Sat. I've done it a few times but it is not sustainable. Management will catch on and shut that shit down. They want their money. Any day of the week that's not Fri/Sat I get in for free. But Fri/Sat are the most important nights so I usually pay $100.

No. This is a blindspot. I am saying something more intelligent. Contrast IS absolute too. You haven't woke up this yet. My mind is the absolute and grasps it just fine. You are imposing these limits on yourself. Your notion of Absolute is too limited and reductionistic and your notion of mind is far too limited too. I am trying to teach you something extremely advanced, but you already think you know everything. So you are stuck.

Mind is Absolute. Mind can grasp Mind. That's the magic of Mind.

You can increase consciousness through hardcore meditation. But you are correct that you will never be as conscious in your everyday life as 5-MeO-DMT. Is that sad? Yes. But hey, I will never live on the moon. Is that sad? Yes. So sad for Leo.

Austin nightlife is super cheap. Basically free. Downside of Vegas is that every club costs $100/night on Fri/Sat and buying drinks will bankrupt you.

Sounds like great practical stuff. This is proper game. Leo seal of approval.