Leo Gura

Ukraine is a viable state. Palestine is not. Ukraine is also doing a great job opposing Russia, so power-wise Ukraine is doing okay. Palestine is a terrorism and radical Islam issue. Ukraine is a classical war issue.

Russia-Ukraine are not comparable. Russia straight up invaded a nation and seeks to eat the whole territory if allowed. Even Israel is not so bold.

You guys are dealing with ideals and theories, not political reality.

They are the military arm of Palestine. Of course they are responsible. Again, the bear does not care about your morals.

Ukraine did not bum-rush their way into Russia, killing everyone on sight.

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@Raze Hamas provoked the bear. You see the result in Gaza's ruins. You need to understand when you a dealing with a force way bigger than you. It is like you are fighting a tsunami.

In a war between Palestine and Israel, Israel will win. There is no question about that. Don't provoke the bear.

That is not a matter of rights, that's a matter of raw power. You can try to fight a grizzly bear, but you will lose that fight. The Israel-Palestine situation is not going to be resolved with moral grand-standing. It will be resolved through raw exercise of power. Which is exactly what you are seeing in the news.

Rationalists love to rationalize all their biases with evo psych.

Yes, however: 1) The entire Middle East lacks development, of their own making, independent of the West. You cannot blame most of their underdevleopment on the West. Their underdevelopment is home-grown and hitched to Islam's regressiveness and ideology. 2) Even so, you cannot expect today's Israeli politicians to sit back and allow vindictive Arabs to just slaughter them. That's not how politics works. You are expecting a level of selflessness from Israelis which they are incapable of. It is like you are expecting a grizzly bear to just sit back while you slap him across the face. For sure the grizzly bear will over-react. And you will scream, "But it's not fair! All I did was slap him." But the grizzly bear does not care about your ideas of fairness.

I have a realistic view of their development. It just so happens Palestinians are even less developed than that. There is much lower development than Blue/Orange.

That is way too intelligent of a thing for a Red Piller do be doing.

Minority rules, not the majority. A radical Islamic minority will hijack any Palestinian state. That's the whole problem with why you can't give them a state. That's way too optimistic. Yes. That's the problem. Leftists over-estimate human development, again, the liberal mind projecting itself and failing to recognize it. Everyone is less developed than you assume.

1) Because they demonstrate it with Oct 7th. 2) Because they say their goal is to annihilate Israel and take back all their stolen land. 3) Because their stage of development is so low: Purple/Red 4) Because they are deluded ideologues thanks to Islam. These are not assumptions. Theses are facts with overwhelming historical evidence. Meanwhile you have a fantasy of peaceful Palestinians. Because the liberal minds projects itself onto them.

They will continue to be desperate after they get their state. Because their state will be delusional, corrupt, weak, and vindictive. You are assuming they will stop being suicidal. You are assuming that sitting in your armchair. But Israeli leadership will be demonized for the rest of history if they test that assumption and it proves false. Israeli leadership gave back Gaze to Hamas, and the result was Oct 7th. Once bitten, twice shy. That is the whole Zionist motto. Their whole point is that they will not allow themselves to be screwed over again, like in WW2, by being too liberal.

@Rafael Thundercat Good, good. You're starting to get it.

The YouTube recommendations algorithm keeps getting worse and worse, suggesting shallow crap. We need to crowd-source this problem. Let's begin keeping a list of the best, unknown YouTube channels. I'm always looking for high-quality channels related to philosophy, psychology, political science, sociology, history, documentaries, geography, travel, etc. I'm looking for serious channels with mature people who talk about mature subjects. Not drama, not culture wars, not clickbait, not entertainment. Channels with interesting, high-quality content. Channels that are educational and add to our understanding of the world. These channels usually have fewer subscribers, less popular. If you know of such channels, if you find new channels of this kind, please share them here. When you share the link, please write a few words about what the channel is about and why it's worth watching. I will share the best of these suggestions on my blog as well. Thank you. Examples of the kind of channels I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/@TheDissenterRL/videos https://www.youtube.com/@WHATISPOLITICS69/videos https://www.youtube.com/@SoftWhiteUnderbelly/videos https://www.youtube.com/@thestoa/videos https://www.youtube.com/@IntegralNaked/videos https://www.youtube.com/@LetsTalkReligion/videos

Red Pill is too stupid to read books about it. Hehe.

Bad example by Shapiro, since TYT and Hasan pay quite a bit of taxes relative to a an average American.

Are you kidding? They were stupid enough to do Oct 7th. It is like you ignore Oct 7th ever happened.

No one knows or cares. The only people who think there's anything special about me, is you guys.

Israel has legit security concerns. Giving a military to Palesatine is like handing a box of grenades to your lunatic homocidal neighbor. You are assuming secuity. But this whole issue is about insecurity. In typical leftist fashion you assume security.

Hence psychedelics.

I'm not sure. Requires contemplation.