Leo Gura

@Carl-Richard If you are saying that you want me to be more mature in my communications, I agree with you and I am and will be doing that. That is an important aspect of my work that I am improving. And I am open to hearing suggestions for how to improve that.

No. I am serious. This work is so deep that I am not a master at it. That is the truth. In the field of epistemology, that might be true. But not in the field of spirituality.

I don't consider myself a master. Again, I am not as arrogant as I might seem. I am very conscious of my limits.

I have said many times, it is not about superiority. It is about depth of understanding reality. Obviously being superior to other people means nothing at all. There is no happiness to be found in feeling superior. This is a foolish thing to even care about. The goal is depth of understanding. And this is difficult to achieve, involving serious mental and emotional struggle. Some of that struggle you see in me since I am public about it. Understanding is real and has nothing to do with flashy experiences. You guys keep taking me for a fool.

That's why a lot of people got tricked by Trump. He is crass and speaks without much PR. But he just happens to be naturally full of shit so it doesn't matter.

The irony is this: Before pickup you are just you. Doing pickup you try too hard to be better than you, so you come across as insecure. And after pickup you are just you. The notion of holding frame itself creates a dynamic where you are insecure and lose frame. Whereas someone who doesn't even know about frame is just comfortably himself. I think all of Owen's technical game can be simplified down to: learn how to go out and party. That's really what pickup is emulating. Why are people out at clubs in the first place? It is not to get laid, it is to party. Guys who don't know how to party are the nerds who can't get laid. If I was teaching bootcamps, all I would do is teach guys how to truly party.

@Majed It only works if you are out socializing. Nothing works if you are sitting in your bedroom.

They live dangerously, adventurously. Fun, drama, risk, new experiences.

It's simple. Because they are exciting. Are you crazy for white bread? No You want to eat something exicting and new.

It is an objective fact though that very attractive people have way more options, so harder to keep, harder to satisfy them. How do you satisfy Megan Fox? Only a psychopath will satisfy her. That level of attractiveness breeds corruption all by itself. Just by being hot, girls' minds are corrupt. A hot girl cannot just sit around all day doing nothing. She has been too spoiled by men.

That's the thing... For me, keeping frame just means being me. I don't need to do anything to keep it. When I am sitting doing nothing, that's my frame. I don't need to act douchey pickup guy. Again, it feels like Owen is trying too hard. There is a try-hard energy about it. When I look at my brother in his marriage, he is not "keeping frame" AT ALL. When I am in a relationship, I am not trying at all.

Developed and Awake are very different things. What I claim is that I accessed insanely high states of consciousness. I still stand by those claims. It depends on the exact case. Yes, in some cases I said very harsh things to people who needed it said. You forget the gaslighting that my posts were in response to. I wasn't just saying stuff out of the blue. Those things were said for reasons. I said unhinged shit because I became conscious of unhinged shit. The two go together. There is a logic behind it. There is no standard at all for the things I discovered. I am lucky I am still alive. You dive deep, shit happens. Risks were taken, costs were paid, gold was discovered. It was something I needed to do. Apologies for my rudeness.

It's very tricky balancing between catering to newbies vs veterans. I still don't know how to balance this. It is trial and error for me. In the end I have to make content that I myself would like to consume. I can't be pandering to people.

Yes, but then you are an unconscious devil because torturing him is ugly and does not maximize love. Hate is not an intelligent position to hold. Hate is for those who don't know any better. Just like it is not intelligent to bite your own hand. Acting in loving ways is important.

You just don't need to work this hard to keep a girl. Not unless she is a 20 year old model. Women tolerate so much shit once they are in love with you. Many men are lazy and have zero ambition or purpose and women stick around. My attitude is, she will stick around even if I do nothing. That's ultimate confidence, haha. Lazy man's game

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I think part of Owen's problem might be that he is trying to date 9s and 10s, models, but he is not good looking enough to keep a model. He can bullshit a model into dating him, but he probably can't keep her for long because she has so many other options. And this makes him paranoid and insecure about losing girls, needing him to frame control them and so on. The girls he wants are too high maintanence. Because he has insane ambitions. But then he suffers that. His lifestyle is also so extreme that no healthy girl would tolerate it for more than a year or two. He basically IS that psychopath boyfriend that women are crazy for, but it can't last.

I disagree with that. Value mismatch and growing apart are natural things. They should not be framed as mistakes the man made. "If only I gamed her harder we would not have grown apart" is a really wrong way of thinking about relationships.

That's how great things are created. It's called ambition. You need the ambition to believe you will create something no one has created before. It is hard to understand this unless you have created something truly new and great yourself. When you act humble you will never break through the insane group-think of mankind. You don't understand the insane standards I have. It's those standards that drive all of my work. It is like when James Cameron makes Titanic, he has insane standards that make him look like an asshole. Because he is trying to create Titanic. His job is not to be your mother. My job is to find the deepest understandings of Reality. That is not easy to do and has a cost. I accept full responsibility for that cost.

The future can be better. That's what I work on every day.

I don't know. I can't really change my personality. It would not be natural. I can't pretend to be a soft, lovey Matt Kahn character. That's not who I am. However, I have matured a lot and will continue to do so. I am getting much wiser in how I interact with humans and how I handle their curveballs and drama. I have become much wiser at handling egos. I now communicate in ways to avoid triggering ego. I see what will trigger the ego and avoid saying it, where in the past I would not. So I am less provocative now.

I don't claim that. Only with psychedelics. Which is true. I have never claimed that. I never claimed that. Yes, I have no traumas. That's easy because I never had much to begin with. Never said that. I make mistakes and do unconscious things sometimes. Especially if you consider 60,000 casual forum posts. Yeah, you will find sloppy stuff I said. Especially when you strip it of all context as in this thread. Don't forget this forum is a casual place. Not a book. Not a formal work. You are interacting with me here casually, like a friend to friend conversation. These are not professional conversations. If you expect that, you will be disappointed and confused. The biggest issue I see is that people don't know how to distinguish casual conversation from professional communication or formal work. A PhD scientist can write a formal research paper and then talk shit at the bar with collegues. But anything I post on this forum gets treated like a formal research paper and used against me in perpetuity. This is why politicians never talk truthfully with you. Because you will use all their words to hang them. So they only do fake PR-speak.

You and I are literally identical. All of you guys are me.

It's different in that a much deeper consciousness of God is reached. God is realized more and more deeply, to shocking levels. Such stunning levels of God are realized that nonduality looks like child's play. Nondualists cannot even imagine these degrees of God exist.

All intolerance is intolerance of the finite self to Infinity. Survival requires that you not tolerate the things that will kill you.