Leo Gura

Not everything is supposed to make sense to you because you are not in a position to have all the facts. This isn't cause for conspiracy thinking, this is normal and expected. You guys expect a murder case to be transparent to you within mere days. That is silly. Murders take months to solve and lay out in trial. Relax. The shooter has confessed multiple times to multiple people. He was no criminal mastermind, just a foolish kid and a skilled shooter.

Stop with the conspiracies. I expect better of you guys. We have video of him on the roof. The end. Stop it!

Almost certain Trump had a stroke in the last few weeks.

They legalized it in Oregon and it was a disaster. Criminalizing hard drugs is not bigotry. It is common sense because easy access to hard drugs means your kids will easily access it.

This is the kind of stuff that makes Leftists so repugnant to many. You can disagree with Kirk's views all you want, but taunting at his memorial is animal behavior. Everyone on the left should denounce such behavior. The left is supposed to be better than that. Do not give MAGA an optical moral victory.

EXACTLY! That is the key insight which nobody grasps! You are incapable of understanding reality because nature is holding a gun to your head and you are too threatened and distracted. It's not about luxury, it's about selfishness vs selflessness. You are too fucking selfish to understand reality. And from this one thing come ALL of your problems.

Because it must lead to corruption. To place anything in your mind above God is corruption. You still haven't understood that. You still think this is some mind of debate about personal choices and opinions. No. This is ontological. Your opinions, your care for your family is irrelevant. If you put your family first you are immediately corrupt, regardless of what happens. Everyone who places family as their #1 value is corrupt! Get that.

Corruption begins in the structure of one's mind.

Corruption.

Please find examples of fake spirituality. I am especially interested in New Age examples. But cult examples are also acceptable. This is spirituality that is very conformist, performative, fantastical, conceptual, ungrounded, word salad, grifty, magical, corrupt, occult. Cringe spiritual BS, basically. I want to see how bad it gets. How deep does self-deception and fantasy go? How deep does the New Age go?

@Daniel Balan Interviewing a fascist does not make one a fascist.

This is question-begging. It is degrees of right-wing ideology. You wouldn't want someone calling you a communist by being all sloppy and not wanting to split hairs. That's exactly how MAGA thinks: it's too dangerous to split hairs now, so all leftists are communists. I understand that nuance is not good in a battle. But battle is what we are trying to avoid.

The issue is that this is a relative matter of perspective. Fascist is a constructed category, much moreso than a duck. It's not so clear who is and isn't a fascist because the political spectrum is very wide with no natural demarcations. Is Charlie Kirk a fascist? There is no objective answer to that question because it depends on how you wanna look at it and how strict or loose you're willing to be. We have to be careful not to act like something like "fascist" is a clear, objective, given category. We create these categories to suit our survival, which then leads to distorted views of reality. People do over-use such labels and it does lead to a demonization effect on the left. I see many far leftists view anyone right of Joe Biden as a fascist, leaving no room for legitmate conservative perspectives. Then anything conservative ends up being misunderstood by over-lumping it with the far right. Kirk has aborent views, but his views were not outside the norm of American conservtives. Which is proven by his feud with the Groypers. The Groypers are genuine full-on fascists. But the Groypers are pretty fringe even among Trump supporters. Oddly enough the Groypers make Kirk look moderate. Being as accurate as we can be is desirable, so we don't fall into the trap of over-generalizing our opponents, which is a mistake our opponents make on purpose.

FBI certainly can't be trusted on this issue. But I trust that within weeks any real evidence will leak to the press. If the shooter was a Groyper this cannot stay hidden. His family and friends will be interviewed by reporters.

Be careful over-generalizing. Reddit has a lot of great content. Only a small fraction of Reddit is toxic ideology. Reddit has millions of different communities. Don't lump them all into one. Reddit is a platform like YouTube. You can find toxic trash on YT too. Doesn't make YT bad or radical.

It all boils down to survival of the ego-mind. Charlie was a true believer in the Christian ideology he was indoctrinated into, and made a lucrative career indoctrinating others.

Just as a general warning to you guys: I see leftists here who are passionate about politics and take the danger of MAGA serious. However, I notice your political activism is starting to negatively affect your judgment, your truthfulness, your sense-making capacity, and even your humanity. Your passion for politics is starting to make your mind corrupt and biased. Stay mindful of that. Do not trade truthfulness for partisan activism. Aim higher.

Do not call people Nazis who aren't really Nazis. Be more accurate in your choice of labels.

We do not know that yet. We need more information. I did not misinterpret, I was speculating based on very little information. And we are speculating still. The motives of the shooter are still unknown. Do not jump to conclusions. He could still be a leftist. Keep an open mind. The Groyper theory is highly convenient for the left. Doesn't mean it has been proven.

That is a fair point. That is a good quote which I can endorse. I would just say that I've seen nearly all the leftist commentators on YouTube for a long time and I have seen all of them follow this principle. Nonviolent talking is what the left is about. So we all agree that violence is to be denounced regardless of which side it comes from.

Mainstream MAGA people are calling the left evil and demons. And they literally believe that because they are Christian Nationalists. Your are portaying the MAGA right as having a more reasonable view of the left than the left has of the right. This is untrue. The left does not hate the right as much as the right hates the left. This is why this week MAGA has called for a war on the left. No prominent leftist has called for a war on the right. And what makes it worse is that the right is in power, has the military, FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, etc. The demonization done by the right is worse than the demonization done on the left. This is why the left is more developed than the right.

Don't twist things. I posted that because you doubt and mimimize the fascistic aspect of this situation. There is no justification for killing political commentators. We are examining the causal connections of this event. What actually caused this event? That's the interesting question. The right-wing has the causal connection wrong because they are so horny to project every bad thing on the left. That is what I find unacceptable and push back on.

Don't forget this little fact: On Jan 6th Charlie Kirk bragged that he will bus in 80 busses full of his brainwashed MAGA chodes to reinforce the rioters.

Destiny is strong on not allowing MAGA to gaslight us more and more. He doesn't allow them to hog the Overton Window. Respect to him for that. MAGA cries for empathy they never had any themselves. Pure hypocrites.

Over the last few days major MAGA influencers have called for the elimination of the entire Democrat party and the left. I'm tired of this gaslighting. MAGA is fascistic in its psychology and ambitions, even if they aren't exactly WW2 Nazis. They firmly believe the left is evil and they will try to eliminate it if given the chance. This not a hypothetical.