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@Serotoninluv The map is whatever ideas you have about reality. The territory is BEING.

@egoless That's like asking, "Will it rain tomorrow next year?"

You're more likely to catch an STD there than getting enlightened. It's a giant party. Which is not to say it's bad or that you shouldn't go. But enlightened it will not make you.

1) Nothing stops him. He's totally free. What stops you from sticking your finger in your butt? Nothing 2) There are no who's.

@egoless 1) It's not possible to be alive and not kill. Doesn't matter how enlightened you get. You're gonna kill lots of stuff. The nature of reality is ever-flux. It must feed upon itself. An enlightened person can do everything an unenlightened person can do. In fact, there is zero difference between them. Enlightenment is not about becoming "good". It's about becoming aware of what reality is. Just because you learn that 5+5=10, doesn't mean you won't murder someone. See? Awareness of Truth doesn't constrain action. 2) No, no-free-will means that there is no one who's in control of your body's actions. If you sit in a chair for the rest of your life, that will not be your choice. And if you climb Mt Everest every year, that will not be your choice. No matter what happens, it's not your choice. Because "YOU" are a concept. Like Santa Claus. Santa Claus does not cause Christmas presents to be distributed to kids. See? Because Santa Claus is a conceptual fabrication. 3) This is impossible to comprehend at your current level of consciousness. You must do self-inquiry if you want to grasp it.

I have read reports of people taking Jeffery's course and benefiting a lot from it. If you seek the most efficient spiritual technology in existence, you need look no further than 5-MeO-DMT. It's a veritable spiritual nuclear weapon. But be careful what you wish for Truth is not for the faint of heart.

That's part of the problem. You think I am better than Hitler.

Of course. You were literally Hitler. The only reason you have any knowledge of Hitler is because you are him. Consciousness happens through BEing. You cannot be conscious of a thing without being it. Literally. Ego denies this of course. That's what it means to create the self/other boundary. Nonduality = no boundaries When you can look Hitler in the eye and love him as much as you'd love your child, in that moment you will vanquish all evil in the world. But note: he might still throw you into a gas chamber. But you'll be at peace about it. You will understand why it is necessary.

@Lauritz That's gonna be intense. Good luck! Write us a trip report when you get back.

@The White Belt Instead of "meditating", try to sit normally, like you would on a park bench waiting for a friend, and JUST BE CONSCIOUS. Be conscious of being. Take a small object in your hand like a pen or pencil, and start wondering what it is.

@Serotoninluv And yet, Sean is still confusing the map for the territory. No language, including math or physics, gets at the existential nature of reality.

@mathieu Sometimes haters gonna hate. If you don't go out of your way to piss people off, usually it's not a problem. Just ignore it and carry on with your life purpose and consciousness work. If you are surrounded by haters constantly, change your surroundings. Don't stay in a place where you aren't appreciated for being you. See my video about Toxic Relationships. Cut those out of your life.

These are teaching aids. Pointing towards something transcendental. Don't take them too literally.

@sgn Yes, it sure seems that way when you've not awoken yet.

Guys, watch your projections, name-calling, and finger-pointing. The Devil is going a great job working this thread

If you're already dead, nothing can harm you. That's presently the case. But you're not aware of it. You believe you have something to lose.

@Ilya Sometimes you have to act your way out of neurosis. At other times you have to realize your way out of neurosis. Both are complimentary. Watch out! Good habits done too rigidly, too mechanically, become bad habits. The secret ingredient is consciousness. Meditating mechanically is not true meditation. You must advance to a point where you meditate consciously. It might take a few years of trail and error to start seeing the difference. Rather than thinking of it as meditation, start thinking of it as: BEING CONSCIOUS. Watch out for inventing mechanical ways to be conscious. That's the Devil playing this tricks. Doing one thing but calling it another. Aping consciousness is NOT consciousness, it's aping! See?? Try to sit right now for 5 minutes and just being conscious. No meditation. That's really what meditation is trying to get you to do. And YES!, you can allow yourself to be neurotic. Allowing is the whole point of the process. You must ultimately surrender to the fact that you have no control of anything. If you're being neurotic, allow it whilst maintaining as much mindfulness as you can muster. Get used to letting the ego play itself out. Observe it happening. See my Self-Acceptance video. It will help you with accepting what is. There's no use fighting what is.

It requires a very big commitment. You gotta be his guinea pig for over 6 months, doing his exercises every day, filing reports every week. If not for all that, I would do it. I've already got a lot of commitments. And I've already got a dozen different techniques that I could use for enlightenment. I don't particularly need any more. If one of you guys wants to take the course and report back to us, that would be great. I would be interested to know what techniques he's teaching.

1) Material success != personal development. 2) Successful people are not happy (see my video by the same title). 3) Don't compare yourself to others. You have a unique path you must walk. 4) If what you seek is material success, then studying a lot of personal dev theory can indeed be a distraction. Theory is a tricky thing. The Devil loves to use theory as distraction from action.

@Cudin I remember reading about his statistical claims on his Finder's Course website. There he explains what the 75% refers to. I'm not saying anything bad about Jeffery Martin. I'd bet his course is great. Just make sure you go in with your eyes open. People tend to get overly-optimistic about such things. The whole "come follow my spiritual practice and you'll get enlightened in 2 days" is the oldest marketing gimmick in book. If it was true, a lot more people would be enlightened in the world. Of course, enlightenment is easy, and enlightenment is hard. All depends on how you look at it. Don't make a limiting belief out of "enlightenment is hard". What I mean when I say that is that most people must go through a lot of suffering to attain it. And 99.999% of people fail. If it was truly easy, this wouldn't be the case. As you get deeper into this work, and discover the Devil within you, you'll suffer enormously, and then you'll be able to appreciate why so few people are enlightened, and why enlightenment cannot be mainstreamed. At least not in our current era. Maybe in another 1000 years. If you want to test this, try doing 16 hours of straight self-inquiry. "Easy" is probably the last word you'll use to describe that experience.

How can it not be so?, is more like it. All dualities must ultimately come full-circle. All distinctions must ultimately collapse. The distinction between absolute and relative is itself dependent on one's perspective. From the relative perspective, the absolute must be separate from the relative. From the absolute perspective, they must be one. Zero is infinity, infinity is zero. Nothing is everything, everything is nothing. Formlessness is form, and form is formlessness. Heads must be tails, and tails must be heads. You cannot separate one side of a coin from another. This requires an enlightenment experience to see. It's not going to make sense from your current level of consciousness.

He uses the term properly. The reason that good is so powerful is because it's based in some good ol' spiritual wisdom. Which is not to say that following it will make you enlightened. That's not the book's focus.

Enough nonsense. New video coming soon.

If you just sit and focus on observing "What is aware of this present experience?" for 16 hours per day for 100 days straight, you're almost guaranteed to get enlightened. Doesn't have to be in a cave. The trick is that no one wants to actually do it. It's the hardest thing in the world to do. But still, plenty of people have done it.

A) Jeffery Martin's method/course doesn't promise 75% success rate at liberation. It promises 75% chance of at least one nondual experience within 6 months of practice. That is a FAR cry from liberation. Make sure you're reading the fine print. Yeah, if you do 2 hours of daily concentration and meditation practice very rigorously, you'll probably have a 75% of getting a glimpse. Don't expect it to be a deep glimpse. I can promise you a 99% chance of a nondual experience within 10 minutes of taking 5-MeO, or 60 minutes of taking mushrooms. But that's a far cry from liberation. Not even close. B) The problem is you cannot demystify mysticism, because reality is fundamentally mystical. The attempt to demystify it is grounded in ego. The ego holds biases against acknowledging the deeply mystical nature of reality. That's not a problem for spiritual teachers to fix, that's a delusion for you to overcome in your awakening process. The mind thinks it knows where enlightenment will lead, but it has no idea. You're trying to correct a process you haven't gone through yet, based on false assumptions which the process will eventually rob you of. Egos have been reinventing the spiritual process for thousands of years, trying to make it more mainstream and adapted to the historical era in which the ego resides. Nothing new about that. This is the history of all religions. Making enlightenment "scientific" is no different than what any other religion does. Because you cannot ever symbolize enlightenment. So every teaching cannot be better than a metaphor. Looking for shortcuts tends not to work. Because if it did, most people would be enlightened. But they aren't. Because the ego will corrupt the process, no matter how short it is. The problem of enlightenment isn't with lack of a straight-forward process. It's with lack of willingness. Which is something no process can fix for you. If you really wanted it, you could go become enlightened in a few months. But you don't want that. It's too much for the ego to swallow. C) You're not going to find good statistics on enlightenment because it's so rare, hard to quantify, and personal. Just to make sense of the statistical data, you'd already have to be deeply enlightened. Maybe 500 years from now, we'll have such data, but not in your lifetime, so don't waste too much time worrying about it.