Leo Gura

Find a good life purpose.

@egoless Very good

@egoless Did you become conscious of why reality exists? Of what it is?

@MM1988 Like I said, the Stoics were good philosphers and psychologists. When you closely observe your inner nature, you will come to the same basic conclusions. The parallels exist because anyone who studies human nature honestly will tend to see the same core principles at work. It's really just a question of how deeply you go down the rabbit hole, and how you choose to express your insights, from within which cultural background.

Just consider the possibilty that there are many many many many degrees to it, and very very very very few people have ever seen the deepest degrees. When you think you've reached the deepest, you probably haven't.

There is much deeper to go. No-self is just the start.

Awakening is not really logical in the end. It will not make sense to you from within the ego. The key point is: you cannot locate yourself no matter how hard you look. Notice that. That should make you very suspicious of this thing you call "me".

@Ether If I did that, you'd be the one controlling me.

This PizzaGate stuff is annoying. They are not the same logo. People are way too sloppy in how they connect dots.

@Rilles While you're at, you might also ask, "Where is the universe located?" Maybe you can make it disappear too. Now that would be something!

@Monkey-man What are you talking about? No, no, no. Spiral Dynamics stages are nowhere near enlightenment. You are making that stuff up.

A wise mind realizes its own limits and domain. The end-goal is No-Mind, or Infinite Mind.

This is all fine and good, but do not confuse emotional mastery or lack of suffering or bliss with enlightenment. They are separate things. This is not to say you shouldn't do "The Work" if it appeals to you. Enlightenment is about realizing what reality is.

Careful as the mind comes back and tries to cling and appropriate these insights towards its own devilish ends.

@How to be wise Maybe, but that isn't full awakening.

@zenjen You'll be less sad when you realize there is no choice in the matter. Everything is perfect and inevitable. An enlightened master has no control.

Ain't nothin' logical about logic Logic is the last refuge of a weak mind.

@zenjen Possible. My impression of Osho (and this could just be my projection), was that he was so absorbed in nonduality he didn't give a fuck about human afairs here on Earth. And so things here on Earth got out of hand. If Osho didn't want to be involved with managing a community, he shouldn't have started such a big one. He also may have had parts of his shadow which he never worked through. His love of luxury, oppulance, sex, drugs, and adoration from fans all seem fishy. Those are lower chakra desires. It was obvious to me from the get-go, when Sheela said that she didn't care about enlightenment or meditation, but only serving Osho, that that would lead to great evil. You cannot have a human being leading a spirtual community of 1000s who is herself not doing any spiritual purifcation work. That will lead to obvious disaster. A leader must be more conscious than her followers, and always working to improve and humble herself.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Osho was reckless AND the government probably put him on thier shit list. It's the government's job to maintain a sense of dualistic reality on behalf of their egoic population. We cannot have a guru becoming too popular. He will always be taken down once his influence starts to destablize the status quo enough. Gurus must keep a low profile. Not rock the boat too much. Which is why gurus are traditionally confined to a small isolated community which never gets mainstream coverage so the populace at large has no idea such things as awakening are possible.

No votes for Mu?

I don't follow such rules. But that is me. The retreats I've gone to, they pretty much let me do whatever the hell I want. Some are very strict, others aren't.

Oops! Lol Although, Peter Molynuex deserves to be on the list too You are being guided to the Absolute here. All that ego nonsense you get inundated with plenty of everywhere else. It is a bit like you come to a hardcore Zen monastery and start asking the Zen master for pickup advice or Dave Rubin's and Jordan Peterson's whining about the regressive Left. The Zen master would slap you across the face for such nonsense. It doesn't even rise to the level of ad hominem. MOGTOW is a legitimate solution to world problems in the same way Nazism or radical Islam is. It ain't. If you want to solve world problens for real, at least rise to Spiral Dynamics stage Yellow.

I will release a vid about it.

No, I am always looking for more and open to being wrong. But I have also seen the end. It's a paradox.