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@RaZor47 What does it matter what other people are? Do you.

That is correct. Ego requires an activated default mode network which is deactivated by psychedelics. Ego is an active construction. The default state is Infinity. Psychedelics deactivate certain portions of the brain and interconnect others. This is sort of like unseating a tyrant and installing a widely distributed democracy.

Well, they obvious had some kind of financial backing, from parents or whatever. Tickets to India don't pay for themselves. There do exist ashrams/monasteries around the world which are free. Which basically means you live there and work for them. Osho's commune had people paying him tons of money to be there. Sometimes giving up their entire life savings. You gotta be careful. Sometimes these ashrams/communes will leech your money or can even be actual cults. When cash is low, you can get creative. For example, your cash will go much further in India or South East Asia than in Costa Rica. Then again, you tend to get what you pay for. There are lots of shitty places in India.

Of course states and stages feed into each other, but are also distinct.

@Emerald There are lots of books written about how to develop control over OBE's and use them for good. Robert Monroe's books are good. Thomas Campbell talks a lot about astral projection too. I have never had a proper OBE. I've had sleep paralysis a couple of times, but it was very short and I never made much sense out of it. For me they are extremely rare. My guess is, I don't have the right type of brain/pysche for it.

@kieranperez I have no idea what it costs to live in that ashram. In the end, you cannot run away from solving the career/job problem. This is the entire problem of survival. You can't just expect someone else to solve this problem for you. This is a huge thing. This is what my LP Course is for. There is no quick fix solution to survival. If you had a decent job you could save up money. If you had a decent business you could live off passive income. If you had highly valuable skills you could offer those for trade. But all of that takes years to establish. Ashrams are not a cure-all for life and in some ways they can be a trap. Once you're there with no money and no exit strategy, you're stuck. You cannot expect to just live your whole life mooching off of others. What value are you going to offer the world? Answering this question is not really optional. By not answering the question your answer is the default: nothing. Which means, don't expect much in return from the world. You only get what you give. To escape wage slavery you must become a massive value provider, or rob a bank.

@Emerald What is it you want out of these experiences? What is your intention? Perhaps rather than just having them accost you randomly, you could infuse some intention into it. You can choose to infuse infinite love into whatever experience you are having. Evil entities and whatnot should not bother you if you tap into the power of infinite love. You can even say something like, "Be gone devils! I reject your evil ways in the name of love." All of these astral realm type experiences are what is called the Subtle body. Which is basically the dream realm. Visualize yourself tapping into infinite love right before bed every night to program your mind to do it when you're in one of these OBE's. In other words, take ownership of your OBE's. Don't let them turn you into a helpless victim. Don't let evil push you around. Truth and love conquers all.

@Baotrader What are you missing is that all of the stuff you compete for is an illusion, a dream. It's not that enlightened people are lazy, it's that unenlightened people are deluded. Deluded people do foolish things, like competing, because they are not wise enough to see it is delusion. You are a mouse running in wheel chasing an imaginary piece of cheese. When someone comes along and points this out to you, you say, "But if I stop I will just be a lazy mouse who sits still. I must keep running until I'm dead." That is the tragedy of your predicament. You are so mesmerized by life that you refuse to stop and question it. "No time to stop, I've got important cheese to chase." You are creating a false dichotomy between being enlightened vs working. You can do both and in fact enlightenment will make you extremely effective at anything you choose to do. The best scientists will be enlightened ones.

Spiral Dynamics is not a measure of nonduality. It is a measure of cognitive, emotional, moral, and cultural development. This a very important distinction. You can be fully nondual but still at a low level of development. Development is distinct from states of consciousness and you are not going to attain a high level of development merely by sitting on a cushion.

Welcome to spirituality.

Lol, of course! That is survival! The issue is HOW. What is the proper way for mankind to survive? Every stage of the Spiral is trying to survive, in its own way, blind to all other ways above it. JP's stage Blue & Orange political solutions are a no-go. His notions of order will actually create more disorder. Because he is not aware of the deeper egoic dynamics which are running the show.

Your exit would be part of the unfolding. Some people are just too foolish to survive Sickening?? Not sure what that means. The only sickening part is the foolishness of people who are clearly engaged in survival but so unaware of it that they don't understand the imperatives of survival and thus the importance of good governance. But hey, sickness is part of the unfolding. Just don't expect the rest of us to jump on the JP sickness bandwagon, which is headed off a cliff.

Let us know when you get there

Of course! Every evolutionary step creates a cascade of new survival challenges. That is life! That is governance. If you don't like living, you are welcome to exit this ride at any time. But the rest of us want some semblance of decent and effective government.

@Ingit Are you aware that you are resisting feeling low whilst imagining feeling high, thus creating your own suffering? Happiness is desire for the present moment, regardless of what it is. Hoping to escape the present moment into the next happy one isn't happiness, it's hell. You've got your wires crossed.

"The prophet Mohammed, who, when one day he saw a Bedouin leaving his camel without tethering it, questioned him as to why he was doing this. The Bedouin replied that he was placing his trust in Allah and had no need to tie the camel. The prophet Mohammed then replied, 'Tie your camel and place your trust in Allah.' " Politics is the domain of survival. If I was to drive a dump truck full of toxic chemicals to your house and dump it on your front lawn, you would not say, "Okay, no problem. It's perfect." You would say, "No! This should be against the law. Stop polluting my lawn." And thus regulation was born. "Trust in God, but tie your camel." Another illustrative story: A holy man fell off the side of a large ship and was drowning in the sea. He started to pray for God to save him. Over and over again the crew tossed out life preservers to the drowning man, but over and over again he refused because his faith was so strong that he knew God would save him. Finally he drowned. When he arrived in Heaven he saw God and started yelling at him: "I was your most faithful servant! Why didn't you save me from drowning?!!!" And God replied, "I threw you the life preserver over and over again."

What is silly is to think that even one molecule in the whole of creation is extraneous and unnecessary. There is no one in control of the process. It's a universal unfolding. Every letter you type is part of this unfolding. JP's bullshit is part of this unfolding. And so is my calling him out on his bullshit. And so it your calling me out for calling him out. See how this works?

@tsuki That is where you are wrong. An enormous amount of evolutionary development has happened in the last 2000 years of human civilization. Your view of evolution is very materialist and limited. Evolution is NOT a biological process happening through DNA. Evolution is a universal process happening through every single movement of every molecule through every scale of order, from the subatomic to cellular to the cultural to the galactic. You grossly underestimate how much reality has changed in the last 10,000 years and are taking many evolutionary developments completely for granted, like the invention of mathematics, science, language, history, psychology, biology, logic, government, laws, human rights, education, housing, etc. None of these things were a given. They all had to evolve through lots of conflict and struggle. The human race has solved billions of problems. Which is why you can sit there and enjoy a life of non-slavery, or why you even think you are a biological organism. You are taking your current Spiral stage completely for granted. As if humans like you were just born 10,000 years ago. Life does not stand still! Evolution is at work, and it has a particular direction: towards increasing consciousness. Life is not some random accident. In the next 1000 years human society will change so radically it will be unrecognizable and horrifying to most egos. Luckily, they'll be long dead.

Consider the possibility that actual vs not-actual is a conceptual duality you created. What is this thing you call "actual"? Are you actual? What is the difference between an actual demon and a non-actual demon?

Reality is one system. There is nothing to check it but itself. The only check to pathological government is healthy government. There both is and is not a check on government. Government is the result of egos enslaving other egos, but then softened by egos voting to make the government more healthy. It's a complex strange loop. Once you are assimilated, you have some say in how the super-organism should work. Yes, order and disorder, freedom and regulation are the yin-yang. That is the dualistic play of God. We need to not only check the small egos, we need to check the large corporate egos. Without regulation there will be corporate enslavement. This is already the case. The problem with corporations, unlike individual humans, is that I'm not sure how conscious they can be. A human can become enlightened or at least do spiritual practice. A human has a conscience and sense of morality. A corporation... not so much. At least not in their current configuration. Corporations make this whole game more tricky because there are 4 entities now within this super-organism: humans, corporations, local governments, and national governments. All 4 need to figure out a way to play together nicely. And then there is global governance of all nations to be considered. The challenge is how to best integrate them all. There are no easy black and white answers. The solutions are nuanced, complex, and really a topic for scientific research. The problem is that stage Blue/Orange people have very simplistic answers which will not possibly work -- they have already run their course. Stage Green is much better, but still not integral enough. Stage Yellow is what we really need most urgently, but to get to Yellow, we need more people at Green.

High quality science-based regulation is exactly the solution. We regulate those parts of society which behave too egotistically and are hurting the whole. Government is an agreement between people to regulate each other for the good of all. That's what government is! The answer to bad government is always better, more scientific, more precise government. Not less government. Government must grow as the complexity of the human super-organism grows. You cannot have a highly complex organism (human society) without strict rules and regulations. Regulations actually enable high degrees of complexity. You cannot have a human body if each cell says "Fuck you, regulation is bad, freedom!" Then you have chaos. Freedom IS chaos! Order is regulation. What people do not understand is that humans are not individuals, we are a hive mind and all future forms of the human super-organism will involve higher and higher degrees of integration until eventually there will not be human individuals are all! It will be one collective mind integrating human brains with super AI and all kinds of other technology into one giant mega-conscious integral super-organism. For that to happen, you gotta get over yourself. This is not about you. This is about YOU! In the end, you will be assimilated, over your cold body if necessary. Because that is what evolution is. It integrates, then sub-framents, then integrates, then sub-fragments like a fractual to infinity. You have no choice about any of this. It will happen whether you resist it or not. The ego always loses. JP and his egotistical followers will all be integrated in the end.

He is not so innocent. He's polarizing people against Green. If all he did was help elevate low Blue to high Blue that would not be a problem. But what he is doing is entrenching Blue deeper into Blue by giving them an out-group to hate: Green. JP demonizes Green to gain the love and money of Blue. This is not just done innocently. It is a shrewd marketing tactic. The only way someone like JP becomes as popular as he is, is by being deliberately controversial and polarizing. Many of JP's viewers don't even realize his teachings are a Trojan horse for a stage Blue value system. They lack any capacity to make such fine distinctions. Fear-mongering and moral crusading is a classic stage Blue recruitment tool. Not to mention how JP's philosophy makes young men hate women. JP is not popular because he helps evolve Blue people but because his philosophy is the perfect excuse for Blue people to never evolve. The Blue ego seeks sources to tell it that Blue is best and there is no higher to go. Blue has this need and Blue will pull out their wallet to pay for it being met. Trashing JP is not the point. The point is to be aware of the Trojan horse.

This is just factually false. There are thousands of healthy and physically strong enlightened people all over the world right now. Osho has some unique condition.

Salvia is the most twisted and nonsensical of psychedelics. The opposite of what you want for consciousness work. Stick with LSD, mushrooms, and 5-MeO.

@Consept No, 5-MeO, for me, is very manageable solo. In fact I do not want anyone around to spoil my communion with God.