Leo Gura

It's like you're saying that 1st grade is closer to 3rd grade because both are odd, while 2nd grade is even. So what? 2nd grade is still closer to 3rd grade. In a sense Green is further away from Turquoise because in its own mind it already thinks it is Turquoise. The similarity actually makes it more self-deceptive and therefore harder to ascend. At least Yellow understands that there is a Turquoise above it. Green often doesn't. There is a big difference between Tier 1 and Tier 2. In this sense Yellow is much closer to Turquoise because they're both Tier 2. The biggest thing Green lacks is the meta-perspective of Tier 2.

@Freyah I'm sure they are are lovely people but I don't use Facebook and I don't participate in any kinds of groups. I'm not really interested in becoming a Spiral Dynamics expert. My job ends with introducing you guys to Spiral Dynamics, which I feel like I've almost completed now. Now it's up to you to do with it what you will. I got bigger fish to fry.

Definitely don't trip in a bad mood. Wait for it to pass. Honestly, it does not sound like you are mature enough to use psychedelics. They may turn out to be a net negative for you. Psychedelics are no joke. They will mindfuck you big time and you must be ready to handle the aftermath. Psychedelics will definitely give you insights about career and depression. The only question is, are you ready to hear the truth?

@Freyah Yes, but I have no interest in participating in a partisan battle between Don Beck's followers and Ken Wilber's. That is like idiocy 2.0. Both men's work is great.

Never forget that slavery exists in all societies except modern and post-modern ones. Anything below modernism will involve tribal warfare, ethnic cleansing, brutal oppression of minorities, rape, racism, and enslavement. Be careful not to romanticize early cultures. They would enslave you and rape your family if given the chance.

I disagree with Ken Wilber's and Shunyamurti's diagnosis of society. The problem is not too much Green, the problem is too much Blue/Orange. At least in American society. Shunyamurti has some wacky ideas about human evolution. He basically believes in cyclical stuff, not evolution or Spiral Dynamics, which to me sounds absurd. I would be very suspicious of anyone who ties to sell you on the idea that society is going to collapse. Maybe it will, but most likely it won't, and either way, society today is far more evolved and better than it ever was in human history. There definitely is a post-modern ego, but that is totally expected. No one ever claimed that post-modernity is a transcendence of ego. There is still ego, but it's far superior to stage Blue or Orange ego. I don't agree with Shunyamurti that society is regressing. In my view, evolution is always progressing and there is zero mistakes in the universe. The design is perfect. Even when there is an apparent regression, it is always progress. Ego is not some new development. Ego was always worse in the past. Post-modernity is not too rampant but far too lacking in society on the whole. In very narrow academic circles it might be too rampant, but academic circles do not at all represent the center of gravity of the population. Academia accounts for less than 1%. The average American has no idea what post-modernity is and could benefit a lot from its lessons. Politically right now in America our problem is not too much post-modernity but too much modernity and traditionalism. Just look at the abject intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the Republican party and their corrupt and abysmal public policy proposals. Conservatives are sticking their head in the sand. JP is one of them. Telling people to worry about the excesses of stage Green right now is a misdiagnosis of the problem. The problem is people who cling to Blue & Orange, and the ideological propaganda being marketed to them by the ilk of JP, Fox News, Steve Bannon, etc. The real problem is an excess of Blue & Orange.

@isabel Try a psychedelic and see. Ideas are not going to explain this to you.

Wilber criticizes Green from the above. JP criticizes Green from below. That's a very big difference. JP's solutions are not Yellow ones but Blue/Orange ones.

Or said another way, the personal self is a concept.

It varies a lot person to person and time to time. Psychedelics are not always predictable. Plugging is also a lot smoother than snorting. My first doses were snorted and a bit rough.

@Preetom No, it's not the same. Understanding is what leads to deep wisdom and Truth. Don't confuse understanding with theory or book smarts. Understanding is its own thing. It allows you to escape Maya and navigate Maya masterfully. Understanding is the key to everything.

@Tetcher The awakening on psychedelics is genuine (assuming you have an awakening on psychedelics -- which not everyone does), but it is usually temporary and the ego will return unless you do a lot of additional work to break it down. Psychedelics give powerful glimpses and insights which would otherwise take years of manual labor to get (if ever). Most people will never do enough hardcore spiritual practice to get as deep as psychedelics can take you within 60 minutes. Imagine if you could take a pill and become a Tiger Woods -level golfer for 1 day. Then you drop back to normal. But still, you now know what it feels like to be a world class golfer, which would otherwise take you 10 years of hardcore practice which you would probably never do.

@FredFred Not for about 6 months. Any psychedelic is 5-MeO-like to me now. 2 grams of mushrooms feels like 50% 5-MeO, 50% mushrooms. Basically a small dose of any substance tips me over the edge into full nondual God consciousness.

15mg is a small dose 20mg is a decent dose 25mg is a heavy dose 30mg is a monster dose At least for me. Tolerance varies person to person. Be very cautious with anything above 25mg. The mindfuck can become almost unbearable.

Truth is just exactly everything that is occurring this moment. Truth is not a concept. It is that out of which the present moment is made.

@okulele It's a phase. I'm going through that too. Old motivations must die and then new ones will arise. But not necessarily immediately. You must give yourself time to be rudderless and trust that a new sense of purpose will emerge from that.

Metaphysical issues as opposed to psychological or human-centric issues. For example, figuring out how to make money or get laid are not existential issues. They are merely the pursuit of your survival agenda. Questioning whether money or other people are even real would be an existential pursuit. You may be having lots of sex but do you understand that you are having sex with an illusion?

Of course you wouldn't. And that is precisely why you are a miserable suffering devil. See, you don't really want truth, you really want selfishness. Hence you do not have truth, you have selfishness.

The problem is that the ego does not know what true happiness or love are. The ego's selfishness and falsehood is precisely what prevents true happiness and love. Happiness and love are super counter-intuitive. You can't trust the ego's definitions of them. Because it is true. If you don't have the truth, you've got nothing.

That is a bannable offense.

That is merely due to lack of proper theoretical foundation, lack of self-inquiry, lack of meditation skill, incorrect dosage, and lack of consistent tripping. How silly would it be if NASA sent one rover to Mars and then said, "Okay, we're done. But we're so confused about Mars." To understand Mars requires hundreds of missions. One mission doesn't mean jack. It raises more questions than it answers.

@How to be wise Because happiness is a limited human thing, while Truth is universal. Truth is much bigger than happiness. Truth is there even if you're not happy. Truth is the only thing you can count on in this evanescent world. You should want the Truth even if it means it will cause you great suffering.

Psychedelics will definitely not wake society up auto-magically. Psychedelics do not eliminate the work, they thrust you deep into it. And most people have no foundation for how to deal with that. I do not push psychedelics on everyone. I recommend them only to serious self-actualizers, which is less than 1% of the general population.

Now you understand why 99.9999% of people aren't enlightened. For most people it takes decades to work that stuff out. This is the bulk of spiritual work. Breaking down that ego, which is more stubborn than a rented mule.

I have a video planned on this exact topic so you'll be able to verify your understanding then. But unless you've had a massive enlightenment you will not understand no matter how well it is explained.