Leo Gura

Lol Existence is not demonstrable to anyone. Neither is identity, rationality, or science. All of these are dependent on subjective experience. There is in fact no such thing as objectivity.

@DustyWhy You can't trust anything. You must do work to discover what is true. You cannot sit back on your ass and expect truth to be delivered to you by someone. That is not how truth works. If you really cared about truth, you would be willing to invest 20 years searching for it. That's roughly the kind of dedication this work requires. Dabblers will not cut it. And there is no guarantee you will ever find it, or that it's even possible for a human to find. That's your predicament from your POV. From my POV, I've found the Absolute Truth and I understand why existence exists. It's a pretty cool thing. Whether you trust me or not is irrelevant. Trusting me will not help you one bit. If you don't know what to do, you're stuck in the Matrix. No one can free you but you. If you do not desire to be free, then stay a slave. The point of your life is to awaken, but you are free to piss your life away and stay a slave. Up to you.

It's very simple. How do you know science and rationality are the best way to understand reality? To make such a claim is already to be deeply unscientific and irrational because for you to know that science explains all of reality you would have to run a scientific test on this claim. And the only way to run that test is to spend a billion years investigating every corner of the universe until you finally demonstrate that every phenomena possible within reality can be understood by science. It is by no means a given that this test will come out true. In fact, it's much more likely that you will discover tons of phenomena which cannot be understood by existing scientific method at all. You would be a naive fool to assume that science and rationality can grasp every facet of reality. This is a highly unscientific position. How do you know science and rationality are not hallucinations? How do you know science and rationality can be trusted? How do you know science and rationality cover all possible phenomena? How do you know science and rationality are not tools of the ego-mind? How can you trust rationality when rationality has been used by people to delude themselves for thousands of years? How can you trust science when the history of science is filled with intelligent scientists making all sorts of absurd errors in understanding reality, only to have those errors exposed hundreds of years later, after they are dead? Who says reality is scientific and rational? Why should it be? What if science and rationality are just subjective, human-centric modes of perceiving reality? Notice, a person inside a Matrix can do science and rationality for 50 years and still have no idea he is inside a Matrix because science and rationality are illusions within the realm of the Matrix and cannot go outside it. That is a belief. What if the tree is precisely Absolute Truth? Maybe you are not really a human but you merely believe you are. Has science or rationality ever demonstrated that you are a human? NO! You don't know anything. The problem is that you are assuming you know a lot of stuff that you do not actually know. All that enlightenment is, is total skepticism about EVERYTHING. You become so skeptical that you stop believing you exist. The Truth is what remains after all your beliefs have been questioned to death, especially your beliefs about physical reality and your personal story of being a human being who was born on this planet called Earth. This is a story you invented. Don't believe me. Just question yourself to death. The fundamental problem here is that you believe an objective physical reality exists. This turns out to be false. All that exists are your projections and beliefs about it. Question your beliefs and physical reality will disappear as though it never existed. You are inside of a hallucination. I am not kidding. WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!! Science and rationality are hallucinations so you cannot rely on them to escape the Matrix. No, the problem is that you already think you know how reality is. You do not know if truth is knowable or not. Which means, it could be knowable. But you are assuming it can't. Which is a groundless and unscientific assumption. No, you don't! You're full of shit. You have not seriously asked any deep questions about existence. You have not even bothered to question science and rationality, nor your own being. Your own mind has you thoroughly deceived. You do not yet even have an inkling how self-deceived you are. Nothing is real. That is enlightenment. You are confusing enlightenment for some kind of positive belief system. It is the polar opposite of that. Enlightenment is nothing. With enlightenment, all knowledge of reality is erased. It's like wiping a hard drive and not writing anything back on it. You are left totally blank. This blank is so blank that not only is your mind wiped out, all of physical reality is wiped out. Everything that exists ceases to exist. Nothing remains at all! No body, no brain, no Earth, no universe, no science, no rationality. Just pure blank. At this point you are physically dead. Nothing remains of you. And that is the Truth. You do not really want enlightenment. It is the last in the world your mind wants. You'd have to be suicidal to want it. People just do not appreciate how radical enlightenment is. You think I'm exaggerating. But I'm not.

@Your place at Heart You are looking at all this from an egocentric perspective. Try actually loving and understanding those whom you demonize if you really want to grow. Don't worry about feminists. Worry about cleansing the doors of your perception.

Don't bring your toxic mind viruses to this forum. All of this negativity is a projection of your own ego-mind. It's safe to say you have no idea what God is.

Freelance gigs are probably the simplest way to start. Although the market is flooded and pay usually isn't that good unless you've got some really good technical skills to offer. You can learn web programming pretty quickly and offer your services on freelancing websites like Upwork.com or Guru.com The better your skills and portfolio of work, the more money you'll make.

How can I know what is right for you? It sounds like good plan if you are passionate about being an entrepreneur. Not everyone is cut out for that though. You have to be really self-driven. I LOVE working for myself. It's the coolest thing second to enlightenment. But it's not for everyone.

@kieranperez Seems Red/Orange

@kieranperez Ahahahaha! Redneck reviewing Eckhart Tolle! You can't make this shit up! 'Murica!

@Kensho Ugh... Ben Shaprio is the worst of Blue. It's like Blue cancer, lol.

@kieranperez Just keep in mind, 100 years ago most of the world was illiterate. Our education system is just in its infancy. Human society is still in the Dark Ages. In 500 years all of this will be reformed. People like us are the wave of the future. Children in 500 years will take all of this for granted. For them, self-actualization will be 100 times easier because there will be a vast infrastructure in place for it, unlike now. We are building the infrastructure for tomorrow, today! Until that project is complete we will have lots of horny, angry, depressed Incels demonizing women.

I agree. Our education system does a terrible job of teaching males about how to be healthy strong males and how to build relationships or attract women.

When it comes to understanding women, many angry and depressed young males cannot do so because they are stuck in such a deficiency mindset. It's because they need women so badly to satisfy their sexual survival needs that they cannot see women fairly, objectively, impartially. So they tend to create all sorts of twisted narratives and misunderstandings of women -- ones which are designed to serve the man's ego needs. For example, lots of these types of men like to think of women as cheating sluts. It is not a true assessment of women, it's just the young horny male's distorted ego perception. It's much easier to call a woman a cheating slut than to admit that she didn't want to sleep with me because I am a weak, unattractive, juvenile male. A lot of these young males do not even recognize that a woman exists unless she is hot enough for them to sleep with. Any "ugly" woman is basically seen as a waste, and completely ignored. Why? Because their mind is only focused on getting its needs met. There in no genuine interest in understanding women, caring for women, or even trying to build healthy relationships with women. It's all about MY SEXUAL NEEDS! It's like a bum begging for quarters on the roadside. All he can think about it quarters and food. His whole perception of reality is warped by his dire and urgent survival needs. "Women only sleep with rich assholes and hot studs. They are sluts who will cheat on you the moment a hotter richer guy comes along." << this is actually a projection of the horny young male's ego. This is actually how HE would behave. Here's the real truth: "I (the guy) only want to sleep with hot attractive women. I am a slut who will cheat on the girl as soon as a hotter girl comes along because all I care about is looks." Projection 101 Every time a guy says, "Women only care about looks" what he really means is, "I only care about looks". Whatever twisted version of reality he sees gets reflected by to him via confirmation bias and deficiency-perception.

Yes, I am all for that. But most people, especially those who subscribe to an ego-serving, fear-based or anger-based ideology are not open to having conversations. Because they believe they are right. Their minds are closed.

For every one Nazi you manage to convince, 1000 others you will not.

@Your place at Heart Don't hang around low consciousness people. They will pull you down to their level with all their nonsense thinking. There are tons of high consciousness teachers and books available that you could be listening to instead. Rather than watching some right-wing fool rant about feminism, go watch a teacher like Sadhguru. Learn to distinguish real wisdom from egoic ideological propaganda. Real wisdom is never based in fear, anger, scapegoating, demonizing, ranting, blaming, complaining, etc. High consciousness people never complain about others.

There is nothing scientific about this. This is utter nonsense based on cherry-picking, confirmation bias, and deficiency-needs perception. When the ego-mind's survival agenda is threatened it will distort its perception of reality to see reality in whatever way is helpful to getting its needs met or identity validated. To feel like a victimized man and maintain that identity these Incels and MGTOWs bring forth all sorts of stupid bro-"science" and rationalizations to justify themselves. But it's just an illusion based on fear, anger, depression, and ultimately very low levels of consciousness. As soon as you hear people citing science/logic to justify their political or identity positions, you can pretty much be certain it's bullshit. This is what JP loves to do. He cites science in a cherry-picked way to valid his ego-mind's narrative of life. The ego-mind always appeals to "facts", "reality", "objectivity", and "fairness" because that's how it creates its subjective reality while denying that it did so. The reality is, the ego-mind does not give a flying fuck about truth or fairness. It is always distorting reality to get an unfair advantage. Online dating dynamics are highly biased. Online dating is not like real life dating because in real life a woman can get to know your personality (which is what primarily attracts women) whereas online all that really matters is physical appearance. Via online dating I could never attract a 10. But in person I have done so many times. You don't need to be a physically attractive guy to attract the hottest girl in the club. You just need a very strong personality, which of course these Incels do not have and do not want to do the hard work to develop. They just want to sit around and rationalize why they are victims.

It is...

Then again, some people just are batshit crazy

Sure, I will.

@ROOBIO The more important question is: do you find it meaningful? Are you passionate about it?

@kev014 It's tricky. This is a core existential problem. The trick is, the infinite and the finite are actually one and the same thing. So you might think you can escape the finitude of survival by appeals to infinity -- and in the Absolute sense you can -- but also in the relative sense you can't. In the relative physical domain in which survival takes place resources will always be finite, even though infinity is always true. In fact, it's because Infinity is always true that resources must be finite. This is the paradox of existence. But also, yes!, the more people become conscious of the infinite the less resources they need to be happy and the more intelligent they are so they can find new ways to extract more resources and distribute them far more efficiently. The Earth has enough raw resources to sustain 100s of billions of people and all the animals. The problem is we aren't using them efficiently or ecologically because we are so disconnected from Infinity. In the future this will get better and better as more peeps evolve up the Spiral. At the highest levels of the Spiral survival still gets played, it's just played in much nicer ways. Case in point, compare 21st century society with ancient Rome where 40% of the population were slaves. That's a lot of progress in 2000 years. Survival still takes place today, but it's much less barbaric, more loving. But still can be harsh and deadly at times.

@Outer Creation is just every form. Form and formlessness are ultimately one. But it is also useful to distinguish them.

@DustyWhy How do you know you aren't tricking yourself right now? How do you know science isn't a hallucination? How do you know you were born? Skepticism cuts both ways buddy.

There is no problem with materially enjoying women. The problem is in the toxic, egocentric ideology which MGTOW promotes. If all MGTOW was, was a call to action for men to improve their results with women and become better men, that would be great. But it is NOT that. It is a toxic victimization/demonization ideology. Materialism is the least of MGTOW's problems. The irony is, MGTOW will not even make you successful with women because it is such an energy drain. At least pickup can get you success with women. The whole appeal of subscribing to MGTOW is that then the guy does not have take responsibility for all of his failings as a man. It's just a way to scapegoat women. Which is really the opposite of what is required to become a strong healthy man. This is also the problem with Incels -- their toxic philosophy only deepens their predicament. These philosophies are like cancer. This is some of the saddest, disempowering stuff you'll ever read: https://incels.me/forums/inceldom-discussion.2/