Leo Gura

WinterNight is not boasting about it. He's very humble. Watch your projections. There is nothing wrong with saying you are enlightened if you in fact are. All it means is that you are conscious of your true nature. That is not an egoic boast, unless you make it so. Of course plenty of folks on this forum claim to be enlightened when in fact they are not, or their enlightenment is very shallow. But some folks here are genuinely enlightened. Sometimes it's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff because communicating via forum doesn't give enough information in many cases. Although even via a forum, it's still quite clear who is spiritually mature and who isn't. You can tell just from the tone of their posts and their attitude. One of the hallmarks of a spiritually mature person is that he is unreactive and non-judgmental.

Only the whole thing. It's WAY WAY WAY more radical than you can imagine. When you finally realize that you never even existed, that you were never even born, it leaves you totally speechless and baffled. Like, "WTF?????!!!!!! There was never a me? How is that even possible?????"

Lol, she was on the brink of suicide and suffered for YEARS! You are dismissing all that "work". Yes, if you drive yourself nuts to the brink of suicide and then finally the ego happens to collapse by some fluke instead of you actually killing yourself, the brain can then rewire itself. But it wasn't really quick. It was a process years in the making. It's like an explosion that was building up for years, and then one day it all burst. And even so, these kinds of cases are extremely rare. They might as well not exist. This is not a reliable strategy for awakening. You make an interesting point. But I still think there is a physiological component to spiritual giftedness. It's just damn rare. How do you explain that many of the most awakened people experienced their awakenings very early in life, often when they are 12 years old, 18 years old, etc. How do you explain people who do one meditation retreat or self-inquire for a few weeks and become enlightened? That is extremely rare and atypical. An average person cannot do that. Otherwise a large percentage of the population would be enlightened, but they just aren't and can't. More broadly-speaking, how do you explain that less than 0.00001% of humans wake up? This cannot be explained simply by lack of effort. Even within people who do hardcore spiritual practice, STILL, less than 1% deeply awaken. Again, this is not merely due to lack of effort. There is a deep connection between one's effort in this work and one's spiritual intuition. Why are some people much more spiritually attuned than others? Why are some people totally spiritually clueless? Lack of effort is not enough to explain it because one's willingness to exert effort is directly proportional to one's initial spiritual attunement. So my claim is that the people who wake up are the ones who start out in life already highly spiritually attuned. Poor upbringing and environment can obscure this attunement, requiring some decades of life experience for the person to realize that they even have this spiritual attunement. The problem with spiritual attunement is that most people who have it take it completely for granted. They don't know what life is like without it because they've always had it, and they assume everyone else has it too. But most people don't. It's sort of like having a very high IQ or being very tall. You don't even realize that most people are not that way. For example, I am 6'2". It took me 30 years to realize that not everyone is that tall. To me, being tall feels totally normal. I don't even know what it means to be short. It took me 30 years to realize that the world is designed for short people: hotel showers, all chairs and sofas and benches, airplane seats, sinks, toilets, urinals, jackets, pants, cars, etc. I can't sit comfortably on most chairs because they are designed for short people and I only realized that a few years ago! I didn't realize it because I assumed that all people are the same.

But your shadow is that which you think you are not. For example, if you think you are an honest person, your shadow is liars. What you must integrate are liars, by realizing you are them.

@mandyjw It's so ugly it's beautiful I am him.

Very true

It's hard to say. I think it's a combination of: genetics, my philosphical mind, years of contemplating deep philosophical matters, my relentless curiosity about nature, my relative lack of emotional obstacles, my good heart, my emotional maturity, self inquiry, and my past breakthroughs on 5-MeO-DMT. Meditation does not feel like it was an important factor for me with respect to tripping.

@mandyjw Lol, there's nothing courageous about being a stage Blue/Orange nationalist pseudo-intellectual. What Stefan is doing is devilry and ego. And he is misleading a great many people, building a cult. It's a total bastardization of philosophy. But he is too ignorant and too arrogant to understand this. He has trapped himself inside his own mind.

Firstly, even siblings are genetically diverse. Secondly, the genetic factor is still only one factor. Hard training is also required. Sadhguru did yoga from a very early age. Genetics alone is not enough in most cases. All that genetics do is make it easier, not easy. Thirdly, witchcraft seems to have some heritable aspects. Children of witches are more likely to have paranormal abilities from my understanding. I don't see any contradiction here. The cases you're describing are extremely rare and they could be explained by the mind web going through a catastrophic collapse and then reconfiguring itself. In a sense, all deep awakening is sudden. But also gradual. Virtually no one becomes a enlightened master in a couple of minutes. This is pure fantasy. Eckhart Tolle, after his egoic collapse, spent 2 years sitting on a park bench. That was 2 solid years of his brain integrating his breakthrough. The opposite of what you say is true: all enlightened masters that I know spent 10,000+ hours to become a master. And that was on top of their spiritual giftedness! On top of all this there could additional factors like karma, soul, past-lives, etc. It's way more complex than people think.

@livg7046 Does not sound to me that you are enlightened. Are you conscious that you cannot die? If not, you ain't enlightened.

Computer/internet is a duality. Computers ARE the internet!

Stefan is mistaking genetics with terrible economic inequality and culture. The IQ difference between whites and blacks is not a genetic problem, it's a social, political, and economic problem. If blacks were not economically and culturally oppressed, their IQ scores would rise by at least as much as their IQ difference between whites and blacks. The IQ is a very poor measure. IQ tests are culturally biased and they do not accurately measure intelligence, nor is intelligence or IQ a fixed genetic trait like eye color. You cannot change your eye color but you can change your intelligence. The solution is to provide blacks and everyone else in the country with free high quality education. Then human intelligence will shoot through the roof. It is ironic that people who cite the IQ test are themselves not exhibiting any great intelligence.

Especially one's own

This is true of all evil human beings: just an innocent guy who got sucked down a devilish rabbit hole. The devil is a fallen angel The Alt-right rabbit hole goes something like this: Joe Rogan >> Sam Harris >> Dave Rubin >> Jordan Peterson >> Ben Shapiro >> Stefan Molyneux >> Alt-right Whoever your mentors judge, you will learn to judge. Judgment is a virus. The ego's shadow is a virus.

One day I was at Wholefoods shopping for my groceries when I see a dude casually walking by me with a beard and giant DD cup tits. If that doesn't shake your mind loose of duality I don't know what will.

That's a polite way of Sadhguru saying, "I'm too woke for you bitches." #2Woke4ThisShit

Still debating how long till horses stop shitting? Lol What a clever way to avoid spiritual work.

Well, I told you guys very early on that I am going to change in big ways and that if you don't grow with me by doing the practices I will lose you in the dust. You have only seen 1% of my full potential and even less of your own. The point is, the theory is powerful and leads to high places. So get to work!

The paradox is that caring about other people can also become an obstacle. Women especially can develop an ego out of playing a "selfless" helper role. So you gotta strike a delicate balance. This whole process is a delicate balancing act. Too much to any one side results in pathology and getting stuck.

Radical openmindedness. You gotta be so openminded it kills you

Seems very likely. For example, it should be possible to take two brains/minds and merge them into one superbrain/supermind, resulting is some freaky stuff. Imagine a species in which every member's nervous system is interconnected with each other into a literal hive mind. That should produce some interesting new emergent stuff that cannot even be imagined. The Absolute itself will never change. But the extent to which it understands itself, the extent to which is sees the interconnectedness of all form, should vary dramatically. The formless does not get more complex, but the form does. And since form and formless are one, to be totally omniscient will require a full integration of all form across all time. Which no human being can do no matter how enlightened they get. To put it another way, you do not fully understand what God is until you have experienced and integrated all form. The paradox of awakening is that it is Absolute, but it is not total. There are infinite degrees of totality because form extends forever. So you can keep realizing more and more of yourself forever without end. And that's exactly what evolution is doing.

You are being far too flippant and one-dimensional. What you're exhibiting here is an absolutist pathology of awakening. A form of Zen devilry. Life is multiple-dimensional, infinite, and complex. There's way more to this work than you hold. What is silly is that you think you've reached some kind of end. Nothing is never done. Life is reinventing itself all the time, without end. Join the party.

No, that substance is the opposite of addictive. You probably won't want do it more than once in your life.

I mean becoming conscious of Truth/God. Yes, and this is a complex and multi-dimensional thing. There is a LOT of subtle self-obsessed crap even after your first awakening. But also, realization is not just about becoming aware that you are nothing. It's also becoming aware that you are everything, and then realizing how God works through everything. So there are a lot of gems to be mined here. Actualized.org is a full-spectrum teaching. We are not merely interested in realizing nothingness here. We are interested in all dimensions of life and how they intersect with that Nothingness. That Nothingness turns out to be identical to every domain of life. How do you structure your life and society as a whole to align with your realization of Nothingness? How do you help elevate and awaken the whole world in an effective and non-pathological manner? These are the types of issues we're interested in here. We are interested in understanding what everything is and how everything interconnects. Which is a much broader scope than most spiritual teachings.

I have taken a break from yoga and even meditation lately. My spirituality is becoming more organic and natural to the point where I am surrendering my rigid practices. Remember that the ultimate goal is for your entire life to become one seamless act of meditation, creativity, and love. You become God-like. Of course I still have a lot of work left. This is just a phase I'm going through, trying new stuff to see what works best. Yes, my mind is gradually becoming more and more quiet, making it easier to be in a semi-meditative state all the time, or at least especially when sitting down.