Leo Gura

Anger is definitely something your mind is actively doing. And you can learn to become conscious enough that it stops happening. Anger is a self-manipulation. It's a survival mechanism of the ego. Ego uses anger to get its needs met. But there are much healthier, more conscious ways to meet those same needs. In the same way that as an adult you don't need to yell and scream to get your food needs met -- the way you did as a child.

@Dan Arnautu That's where many of you are. It's a decent place to be.

@Sahil Pandit That's interesting but I'm not sure if it qualifies as recontextualization for me.

@Aimblack Precisely because you have to be at vision-logic to appreciate vision-logic. And he's kinda nerdy and not very practical as far as self-help goes. As great as GEB is, it will not actually develop you. It's mostly just food for thought. Like mind-porn.

@billiesimon Well, you gotta keep in mind that those writers & poets were like the top 0.001% of the society. And they idealized the shit out of their culture. They of course were probably at Blue and above. But they were the high elites. The average folks were far less conscious and the culture of the elites is not the same as mainstream vulgar culture. While Virgil was writing his poetry thousands of illiterate Roman peasants were rioting in the streets for bread and sacrificing goats & chickens to minor religious deities (stage Purple). And bloodthirsty mafia-style gangs controlled the various sections of the city. Clan and family warfare was common. Conventional European history does a poor job of teaching the everyday realities of life in ancient Rome. It's highly idealized and sanitized. Also because it's much harder to find historic evidence of vulgar life. The art that survives is high art of the elites. Poems are not written about bread riots, plague, illiteracy, slavery, gang rape, genocide, torture, and cults.

It depends, some of them are Blue. Many of them are a mix of Red/Blue. Hitler was the epitome of ethnocentrism: my race, my people, my civilization is superior to all others. Hitler also had Red aspects because he had a lust for absolute personal power. Religion is almost always a part of one's ethnicity. Religion does not exist in a vacuum. If you are religious, your religion was indoctrinated into you as part of your culture and geographic location. If not for that, you would not be religious. You might be spiritual, but not religious. Religion is culture. And their own culture is what ethnocentrists strive to defend. Jews are a great example of how ethnicity and religion go hand in hand. Not a genius, but integral and multi-perspectival and well-read/educated. It does not have to be formal education, but you must read books. That chart is not comprehensive. There are many examples which were not shown due to space restrictions. Hippies need a more cerebral integral approach. More book smarts. Learning systems thinking would help them. And studying Spiral Dynamics would help them a lot. Also, laying off the weed might help them A nonlinear, hyper-intuitive sort of rationality which is more right-brain dominant vs left-brain dominant, and which focuses on holistic big picture thinking rather than technical analysis or linear logical proofs. Vision-logic fuses rationality with intuition, consciousness, and high emotional intelligence. Albert Einstein is a great example of vision-logic. He was not the typical cold-hearted, paint-by-numbers academic. Also, Richard Feynman is a good example. Vision-logic is more playful, whimsical, creative, than traditional logic and very importantly it can handle paradox, which traditional logic cannot. Douglas Hofstadter is a good example of vision-logic.

@billiesimon Maybe. On the other hand a lot of Roman art was a glorification of Red military conquest, power, and domination. Is the Colosseum Red or Blue? Is Trajan's Column Red or Blue?

It takes a lot of research to understand the details of how each of those lines evolves. Some of the lines are not very well documented. Although the Metaphysical/Spiritual line is very well documented and I've basically addressed it in my Spiral Dynamics mini-series whenever I talked about religion, spirituality, or mysticism. Stage Blue is dogmatically religious Stage Orange turns materialistic science & rationality into a religion Stage Green is "spiritual but not religious" -- hippie spirituality Stage Yellow is open to mystical ideas but doesn't have direct mystical insight yet. Sort of a conceptual spirituality. Stage Turquoise is having lots of mystical experiences and very aware of the oneness of everything

You realize that 40% of Romans were slaves? And that Rome was run by bloodthirsty Emperors many of whom back-stabbed each other? Ancient Athenes was pretty advanced but it disintegrated rather quickly amidst all of the low consciousness carnage in the area. The tallest blade of grass gets cut the soonest. The HBO series Rome is a good depiction of life in stage Red. It's actually very similar to the politics of Game Of Thrones. Everyone is scheming to undo everyone else. Of course Rome did have some stage Blue aspects to it. Marcus Aurelius was a fine example of a Blue emperor. Like I said about center of gravity, to say that Rome was Red is to say that 50% of it was Red, 25% Purple, 25% Blue. You see roughly that mix in the HBO Rome show.

@Nahm Time for you to schedule that acid trip, buddy

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1) That's all grist for the self development mill. The irritation other people cause you shows you which aspects of yourself need more work. They only irritate the ego, not the True Self. This is what I mean when I say life is a love simulator. You are being challenged to love more in the face of criticism and hatred. It requires courage to face and surrender your deepest fears. 2) Keep studying the model more. Read some of the books about it. Then it will be really easy to see where you're at. This model requires at least 20-30 hours of study and contemplation to start to understand. And some reading. It is a big investment, but it will be worth it. 3) My pleasure

1) You can't cure a fool. He has to outgrow his own foolishness. Expect to be judged a lot by lower stages. Maybe even expect that they will kill you one day for your consciousness. 2) Higher stages have much less of those things. Life feels better at higher stages. So it's very much worth developing. Compare living in Saudi Arabia vs the US or Northern Europe. Where would you want to live if you were a woman or a minority? 3) Each of you is different. Most of you are Orange/Green probably. But some of you are Yellow/Turquoise.

Do the practices!

200ug is too high. Start lower.

@Gligorije Anger and fear are different. Anger is often a smokescreen to mask the true emotion: hurt. The ego hates to admit it is vulnerable, so it likes to act macho when it is hurt by acting angry. Anger is always about something that happened to you in the past. Hurt exists in the past. Fear is about worry of something bad happening in the future. Angry people are usually just hurt people who are in denial about it. The solution is to investigate the hurt. Give yourself the love that others never gave you.

@zambize Take a psychedelic and see for yourself. All of these questions you have will be answered.

@korbes It's actually really easy. Pretend like you are trying to fog up a mirror with your breath. But then close your mouth, letting the air go out through the nose. Experiment with various degrees of constriction of the throat until you get a nice sound going and it feels solid. Your throat needs to constrict almost as much as possible in order to slow down the air as much as possible, so you can do long slow breaths. It's almost like sucking in air through a straw. But you are using your throat as the straw.

They are worse than traditional religion. They are a legit cult. They will psychologically manipulate and exploit you. I will talk about the dangers of cults and how they work in the future.

Breathing is always done through the nose.

@the_wanderer Yes, that is a little taste of enlightenment, but enlightenment can also go much deeper, and there can be various facets to it. How do you make it stick? By doing lots of practices like self-inquiry until your entire reality is deconstructed.

@zambize There exist some things which cannot be gotten at with words. So how do you go about talking about such things to people who have not experienced them? Here we are. If we didn't call it nonduality what would be call it? How would we let you know this thing exists? Maybe we should call it "chicken" from now on and see if that solves the problem. There is no way to get around the fact that incommunicable things exist. You can try for a million years and you will never solve this problem. Because an unspeakable thing cannot be spoken, by definition.

@Outer He's not sure if gay marriage is acceptable. Why talk about make up at all in the context of sexual harassment? It's irrelevant. Unless you're looking for a scapegoat.

That's what a Green transition looks like. Rules do need to be figured out, but he makes it seems like men and women can't work together in the same place for 40 years.