Leo Gura

I don't know what parallel realities means. To me there is only one reality and one consciousness which imagines everything else. At moderate doses I could control it pretty well in a non-egotistical way. I could use my intention to guide me. That was nice. I could for example use my intention to heal myself or to contemplate a topic I was interested in. At higher doses I'd imagine you'd lose control and it would turn into insanity. I find that mushrooms can produces some delusional thoughts. But DPT is not like that for me. DPT is very true in my experience. When you are in the Absolute it is totally self-validating. It cannot have any external frames of reference. You just magically know that it's absolutely true. It is an understanding beyond ordinary human thoughts. It's like the understanding of God himself.

@Esoteric I also think a lot of people dose too high, thus their trips become totally out of control. I tend to dose moderately to avoid that. If I doubled my dose, yeah, it might turn into a hellscape at some point. Mushrooms have taught me the hard way not to do that.

But other people also report positive nondual experiences like this guy: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Experience:10mg_%26_20mg_Intravenous_DPT_HCl_-_Familiar_Shapes,_Experiencing_Death,_Immersed_in_The_Light I doubt he took 5-MeO-DMT before.

@Esoteric That's very odd. I did not experience anything dark like that. I suspect that my DPT trips may be strongly influenced by prior 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs. So basically all I get is pure nondual consciousness, not some occult hellscape. To me DPT is a bit like a cross between 5-MeO-DMT and mushrooms.

I have no idea. That decision is on you. Sounds like I was being too flip. Sorry. I don't know what I don't know I am fallible. Which is why direct experience is king. My impressions of DPT were highly distorted by the negative nightmarish trip reports I read. I was very shocked to discover DPT was very pleasant for me. Well of course ego-death is God. It's just a question of how deeply you penetrate it. Sometimes its shallow, sometimes its very deep. God has many layers to it. You also want to experience that the ordinary sensory world is God too, not just formlessness. You would not want to plug PsychonautWiki's snorting dosages. That would be INSANITY. Their smoked dosages are accurate for plugging is what I meant. I have not smoked DPT so I don't know about what the best smoking dosages are. Sounds like starting low is a good idea.

Interesting note: Stan Grof did testing of DPT for treatment of alcoholics back in the 50's and 60's. I can definitely see it working for addiction recovery and treatment of depression. Then again, if an anxious or depressed person takes DPT, they might be in for some hell as their negative mind might become realized.

I have not tried it on account of its dangers. I assume it has some value. But from what I hear its too wild, chaotic, and nonsensical for our purposes. Although Martin Ball used to like it a lot before he stumbled upon 5-MeO. He even wrote a whole book about salvia.

I can verify that musical enhancement is pretty awesome on this substance. And it also seems to trigger crazy synchronicities. It's almost spooky how magical those can be. And I'm not a big synchronicity guy.

I have not experienced any darkness from it. Just pure God & Love. Interesting how that is. It seems to affect people very differently. It really unlocks the power of one's imagination, so whatever darkness exists in you may become manifest. Yeah, I read about it. Seems like a wacky cult-like organization. But they sure did pick a great chemical to start a religion around DPT will completely unlock one's imagination, so whatever religious imagery one believes in will become manifest. Or if you believe in pure nonduality, that will become manifest. On DPT I was actually able to integrate and understand all of the world's religious imagery simultaneously. It was an awesome degree of total integration which cannot be accomplished via ordinary thought. It was like a multi-dimensional integration and simultaneous understanding of all symbolic systems ever invented by mankind. All human symbolic understanding is relative and arbitrary. Yet all of it can also be meaningful to the one holding it.

Just be ware that many of those negative trip reports can be very misleading. For me the experience is purely positive and pleasant. Dosages on PsychonautWiki seem to be pretty accurate. Rectal doses are similar to smoked dosages! Making it very potent. For me, rectal doses go like this: Light: 20mg-30mg Medium: 30mg-40mg Heavy: 50mg+ But I'm pretty sensitive to all psychedelics, so you may need to dose higher. Your starting dose should be no higher than 20mg to get a feel for the body load and vibrations. With rectal administration the trip will start within 15 minutes, hit strong by 25 minutes, and last strongly until 2h30m. After effects tend to linger for quite a long time, at least a few more hours but you'll be out of the breakthrough zone by 2h30m. Be very cautious with anything above 50mg. It will melt your reality. DPT does not seem to come in any other form but HCl. The freebase version of DPT is oily and not suitable for storage from what I hear. Oh, and DPT HCl refuses to dissolve in water at all. You can still make a suspension, but the actual DPT particles will not dissolve. This isn't a problem per se. It absorbs into the body just the same. But emptying the oral syringe is a bit trickier because sometimes the particles tend to stay in the back of the syringe requiring a bit more effort to deliver the full dose. How To Plug Psychedelics video: https://www.actualized.org/insights/how-to-plug-psychedelics

I will soon be renaming this thread to: The DPT Mega-Thread This will be our go-to thread about DPT related questions, tips, techniques, etc. As usual, no sourcing questions. Here are some good reference links: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/DPT https://erowid.org/chemicals/dpt/ https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/dpt-subthread-dpt-dosage-methods-of-administration.399044/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipropyltryptamine https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/8y7k3j/dpt_dipropyltryptamine/

Here's the new video: https://www.actualized.org/insights/dpt-the-other-god-molecule

Good policing is difficult. It can't ever be perfect. But it must still be done.

@Ampresus Restaurants are not good for dates. The food gets in the way. Next time go to a public mall type area with coffee, ice cream, snacks, and multiple locations to bounce around. Never do a date in one building. Multiple building and outdoors is best.

@Peo Sit down and don't have sex for 6 months. And suffer through the hell of not getting what you want. There is no shortcut here. You're gonna have to suffer until that ego finally gives up and dies. The ego will not just give up its most important desires without massive struggle. To achieve this you're basically talking about giving up your entire life. It's harder than suicide. Which is why virtually no body does it. The solution is the very thing you've been avoiding your whole life: death.

Ice cream truck, my mortal nemesis Ruining my videos with its Pavlovian song of sugar.

@Tom T Sounds about right. But it can be useful to see that spirituality is more than just nonduality.

Love is a complex thing. You don't understand what Love is yet. At stage Red that's how love looks.

Salvia is not scheduled in the US. They sell salvia at local smoke shops in Vegas. You can buy it legally. At least you used to be able to. Not sure about how it is now in 2019. It's so backwards too, because salvia truly deserves to be regulated. It's a dangerous substance.

@passerby The author's understanding of reality is still dualistic. Reality is not a simulation, it is not digital, it is not some hyper-space DMT realm, and it is not occurring inside any brain. All of that is a subset of Infinite Consciousness. So watch out for people who smoke too much DMT. Their understanding is not ultimate no matter how many aliens they encounter or talk to. The author is still subtly attached to materialism and scientific modeling. Which is why he cannot understand the ultimate nondual level.

That's a big if for many people. If it blindsides you, you'll be in for hell. And be careful not to get cocky. A few good trips doesn't make you immune.

@passerby It goes deeper than that! Even a hyper-dimensional brain complex is not as permanent as Infinite Consciousness itself. The final task is: become God, not some alien brain complex. Alien brain complexes are a tiny part of God's imagination.

That video was not DPT.

Yes, but I am allowed to have my opinions and analysis of it. In fact I stated that I am adding onto the original model. The irony is that they took this model from Clare Graves, then trademarked it. Imagine if someone trademarked Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. And then blocked anyone from teaching it unless it was taught precisely as they wanted. The whole point of science is to share models, innovate upon them, and point out their limitations.