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I found that when you start this journey it tends to be quite neurotic and not very effective. But at the same time, you can only start where you're at, so neurotic practice is better than no practice at all. You problems could be answered with a couple of deep psychedelic trips, where you would face the real existential root of your dysfunctions and let them go. Then you could proceed with a more organic spiritual practice. The value of the psychedelic is not so much in that it enlightens you, but that it clearly shows you what is preventing you from awakening, what is holding you back. Otherwise you could waste years chasing your tail in circles. One of the biggest challenges of the spiritual path is what we get in our own way. We all have unique ways of getting in our own way. Psychedelics help you understand your unique ways of getting in your own way so you can stop doing it. It tends to not be enough to just intellectually know how you get in your own way. You need a deep mystical experience of it to learn the lesson and change your ways. Intellectual efforting here just tends to be very slow and needlessly ineffective compared to a few psychedelic trips which will just bombard you with all the answers in a way that no book, therapist, or guru could. Really, once you learn how to properly use psychedelics, you will never need a teacher or book. The most powerful answers are in your trips. Everything else is weak sauce that literally wastes years of time and thousands of dollars in money.

Oneness is not a belief. Oneness is an Absolute.

I don't remember what he completed. I'm sure Sadhguru has some very advanced students who are deeply enlightened. But that's probably pretty rare given how mainstream Isha has become. Most people doing it are dabblers who don't even know what enlightenment means. They are doing it for personal health benefits or whatever. Overall I don't have any problem with Sadhguru's teachings. I'm just not the type who will ever follow a single guru. No

I don't know much about the Israeli left, so I can't speak to those internal politics. I'm more looking at Israel as an outsider and criticizing it from an outsider's perspective. From an outsider's international perspective is seems that Israel's conservative party has hijacked the country and behaves unfairly towards Palestinians by trying to make a two state solution impossible with sneaky settles. I see this is a right-wing collective egotism which lack empathy for Palestinians. So my only point is that just devilry should be called out and not encouraged (the way the American right-wing likes to do). It's not a matter of belief. You are God, you are One, and you are all things. It's not that I'm talking to myself, it's that you're talking to yourself. If it seem like you're talking to me that's because you've adopted the belief in separate human beings. Oneness is a radical thing.

@Aeris To pull off something like that would require a social organization of some kind. At first this organization would seem noble and good. But over time thing would spiral out of hand and some giant spiritual ego would take it over, thus turning 5-MeO-DMT into a tool of the devil. You cannot get away from the devil. The devil corrupts everything. The purer you try to make a thing, the more the devil will seek to co-opt it.

@Revolutionary Think Don't forget Actualized Forum politics

I hear what you're saying. But I just wonder, when the Nazi's were coming to power in the 30's, what would you have proposed? The trick is that when you negotiate with fundamentalists they take and take and take and give nothing in return. I'm curious how you would negotiate with conservatives in America. Obama tried to appease them and it didn't work. They still smeared him as a socialist and undermined him at every turn. How would you deal with Trump and his evangelical base? You think they are going to negotiate with you and give any ground to stage Green? Would you advocate not to put pressure on the migrant concentration camps at the US border & on Trump? Vocal outrage can be an effective tool for social evolution as most people are complacent and unaware of what's really happening in society. The outrage can make people aware of the issue. I have read Elza Maalouf's book. I am really curious how you negotiate with people who precisely do not want rise above their worldview? Sometimes I feel like Integral Theory is too naive and idealistic about how ruthless politics can be. What do you consider the solution to Trump? Is it better to elect a centrist Democrat or a far left one like Bernie Sanders who will put pressure on the corporate domination of US politics and drive hard towards Green? I feel like Obama's approach towards the conservatives was somewhat stage Yellow, yet it did not work out so well because the conservatives just took advantage of of his moderation and willingness to compromise. When one side is acting like a devil, what do you do according to Spiral Dynamics? Because the devil is certainly clever enough to take advantage of a moderate Spiral Dynamics approach.

Notice how tricky such things are. Which is why politics is so messy and dirty. Don't forget, all politics is survival.

There is no such line because everything is relative. Remember, 150 years ago millions of people believed they had the right to own slaves. That's relativity. What's even crazier is that since you are all beings, you were one of them! So your judgment of slaveowners is itself self-bias! How do we get everyone in the world to acknowledge that he/she owned slaves at one point? LOL, good luck with that one.

@Nivsch Unfortunately ideals and flowery rhetoric often mask the true nature of the beast. Our Statue of Liberty says, "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." yet we hold asylum seekers in concentration camps right this minute. Zionism may have good intentions, but the practical result of such an ideology results in putting Jews first, above all others. Which is problematic. I know there are many Jews who don't support the right-wing Israeli government. Good for them. Be more vocal.

Study & awakening solves that. Awakening solves that. Find your life purpose and learn some business & career skills. Awakening solves that. - - - - - - Psychedelics will directly address #1, #2, and #4. And they can even help you find your LP for #3.

The body is a hallucination, just like everything else. There is no fundamental difference between your body and your thoughts -- if you are conscious enough. The body is actually being willed into existence by Universal Mind. God's Will made manifest creates every cell in your body. The body is made out of Infinite Consciousness. But none of this will make a lick of sense unless you're in a nondual state of consciousness. So go do some psychedelics or Kriya yoga or whatever.

Then again, mushrooms can be deadly serious.

Depends on your goals. What do you want?

Some psychedelics make one very humorous. I get that on mushrooms mostly.

Excellent! Let's keep building this list. There must be even more such programs.

Of course the leadership can change, but Israeli politics has been heavily dominated by Zionists for a long time, just as right now American politics is heavily dominated by nationalists. It's like blaming America for the Iraq War even though many Americans were against it. But as a national we deserve to be blamed for allowing such things to happen in our name.

That makes all the difference in the world. If every rich & powerful person snorted 5-MeO-DMT instead of cocaine, the world would change overnight and half our problems would be solved.

@Yonkon It would actually be pretty easy. Rich people all know each other. All you gotta do is convert one of them and then they will do the work of converting the rest. Similar to how Christianity took over the Roman Empire with the conversion of Emperor Constantine.

Sounds nice in theory but they will lobby against it and smear you as a communist welfare queen.

Keep calm and carry on. I already did. Earlier in this long ass thread. Good luck finding it.

@Truth Addict Well, try to see how many tomato plants you can grow in one pot before they stop growing due to depletion of soil nutrients. It will be less than you think. Farmers use fertilizer and crop rotation for a reason. You can't just keep growing plants on a plot of land forever. If only life was so easy.

There's some groupthink here, but no it cannot get out of hand because I control it and I have no interest in using it for such purposes. There's not really an organization here, just people posting random stuff. "The Family" has a deliberate mission to spread their ideology. They are basically doing covert missionary work at a geopolitical level. Funny enough, I had actually considered a similar plan. What if we took the world's top 500 richest and most powerful people and took them through a full course of 5-MeO-DMT? Giving them legit awakenings. That could transform the entire world overnight. But it could also lead to a lot of devilry so I'm not foolish enough to try that. It's not a good idea to force spirituality on people.

@AleksM The big question is, who you gonna tax to fund it?

Yes, that's precisely that challenge of evil. Eradicating evil is so hard because one cannot see it in oneself. Everyone is quick to see the self-biases of others but not oneself. And thus the Greater Jihad degrades into the Lesser Jihad. You must be ruthlessly truthful and objective with yourself. This is comes at the cost of emotional labor. This is an important point which needs to be underscored. The devil does most of his work in a collective. A collective allows for the near total masking of self-bias, since if you manage to surround yourself with 1000 people who share your self-bias, you will look out at the world and it will seem like you have no self-bias because your self-biases are perfectly reflected back at you. This is why people in conformist groups do some really evil shit. The collective absolves them of responsibility. It's like becoming a minnow in a school of fish. No one minnow controls the entire school. They all just go with the flow until they drive themselves off the cliff. Collective spirituality is a very dangerous game. It's almost guaranteed to be co-opted by the devil. Which is why I don't grow Actualized.org into an actual organization with staff.