Leo Gura

I think there are serious limits for human beings, yes. I have yet to see a guru sprout wings and fly off into the sunset. Until I see that, I will assume there are serious limits. But there are no limits for God proper. Since of course God invented all the birds. This problem arises simply due to a natural conflict of being a thing. To be a thing one must be that thing to the exclusion of other things. To be a human means that you are not a bird, and vice versa. The mistake people make is that they overlook the self-imposed limits of God's design. If God decides to create a dog, you cannot then say, "But why can't God also give it wings?" Because a dog is not supposed to have wings! Such thinking is the ego-mind's silly fantasies. The dog is God, but that does not mean that a dog has the power to grow wings at will. Even though God does have that power. A dog is God in a very specific, limited form, so it is bounded by that form. If God wishes to be unbounded, then it will cease being a dog. But then you will not be able to see it or interact with it in any way. Interaction requires form requires limitation. The reason the Godhead is so hard to find is because it is everywhere and nowhere. So you cannot pinpoint it.

There was a video of Yang on Youtube talking about how his mic was cut. It's a shaky smartphone video. Can't find it now.

@Anton_Pierre No one claimed it was for you. Not everything revolves around your needs.

They muted Yang's mic as he said afterwards. You also gotta understand, these debates are a business. NBC wants the candidates to fight and create drama. That's what gets them ratings. They don't want a boring debate. They want to see blood spilled. I'm amaze they don't yet have a battle royale American Gladiators style

Go deeper.

@Anton_Pierre Open your mind.

Many people have reported visiting hell realms. So the historical evidence contradicts your ideas of what is possible. To say that people have nightmares is not fear-mongering. It's just the case. David Hawkins vividly describes his visitations to literal hell realms. Check out his videos of it.

Yes, you are imagining your denial.

There is no distinction between any realms and imagination. I am not just talking about concept. I mean that all physical objects are also imagination, just a deeper level of it. Levels you are not conscious of yet. The problem is that you are not yet conscious of how you imagine physical objects. But you do.

Right, you are imagining that right now. Sure that can happen. I'm not saying devotion cannot lead to enlightenment. I'm saying it's a very problematic path in practice. How many Muslims are deluded more than enlightened? 99.99999% of them. The point is you can turn any object into an object of devotion. If you wanted you could buy a pet goat and imagine that it is God, make it your guru, kiss its feet 5 times a day, have sex with it, and eventually merge with it and become enlightened through it. That goat is as much God as Muhammad, Sadhguru, or anything else. You are the one imagining this whole game. So you can create whatever spiritual path you like. If you tell yourself you need a guru, that will be true for you.

@Anton_Pierre There are hell realms beyond merely suffering or being unconscious in this physical realm. I mean literal hell realms with devils and fire and horror. The stuff of horror movies. You can dream it up. What do you think a horror movie is? Some twisted mind had to dream that shit up. Imagine being stuck in a horror movie.

You (as God) can dream up whatever realm you want. If the mind is impure it will dream up hell realms. No different than nightmares. Once you are conscious and pure enough you will not have nightmares any more because you will fear nothing.

Did you know the origin of the word Matrix? In other words, the Mother, or Source of all Creation. In other words, God. In other words, YOU!

Hahaha.... No I will not be joining your delusions. Don't expect awakened people to play your mind games.

I am in your imagination. The point is that YOU are the one doing the superhuman task of imagining me into being. You created me! You created the whole universe! You are God. Wake up! You are only talking to yourself here.

You are imagining Sadhguru. Don't ever forget that. The point of Sadhguru is to get you to realize that. Everything else is distraction. You are also imagining psychedelics. Psychedelics do not actually exist outside of your imagination of them. The point of taking psychedelics is to realize that you only imagined having taken them When you can no longer distinguish between psychedelics, fantasy, hallucination, and physical reality, then you've learned the most important lesson.

@Anton_Pierre I never said solipsism. Infinite Consciousness is way beyond solipsism. But it is singular.

Of course SD is relative. It's not a good idea to try to mesh it with enlightenment.

The problem is you imagine me. So you're not channeling me, you're inventing me.

Lol In that case maybe you should take on OJ Simpson as your guru. Look at the mental gymnastics people here go through to preserve the myth that enlightenment can only come by following a guru. Learning from teachers/people is not the same as devotion to a guru.

@InfinitePotential Yeah, Yang got screwed. He under-performed the most. Bernie was meh. He needs to step it up. Overall great debates. The format is just too short though.

@Garuda Read Om Swami's biography. He ditched his useless corrupt guru and became enlightened by himself in a cave in the Himalayas in the middle of winter. The guru did nothing but keep him from enlightenment.

The key point on this topic is this: Everyone just assumes that Jesus was human. Notice that this is purely an assumption. There is no evidence for it. It is possible that he was not human. Which might explain a lot. Things could be more complicated than people assume. The point is not to have some definitive answer, but to question your own paradigms. You never know what amazing discoveries that could lead to. This is the essence of inquiry and science. You question and consider various ways of interpreting the world around you without getting dogmatic about it.

@Cepzeu Wow, great work!

@Garuda Even within India you will find many people who awoke spontaneously without any guru. You confuse tradition with some deeper reality.