Leo Gura

Yup, this certainly happens. People generally do not appreciate how much difference there can be between brains. Some brains are able to access spiritual dimensions 1000x more efficiently than others. Remember that evolution naturally selects for human brains to favor survival and fitting into society rather than witchcraft. As we know, tens of thousands of witches and mystics (the most spiritually gifted humans) were demonized and executed. Witches are demonized in basically all cultures around the world. Absolutely! Do not even try to compare yourself to the likes of Sadhguru, Ramana, or Ralston. That is a recipe for depression. That would be like comparing your lifting ability to a forklift. It is imperative that you walk your own unique spiritual path, not some guru's path. Your path must match your strengths and capacities. Yes, appreciate freakish levels of excellence and consciousness in the same way you might appreciate freakish levels of musical skill or artistic skill. Don't expect everyone to be a Mozart, a Picasso, an Einstein, or a Da Vinci. These were gifted, genius people. They did not achieve it merely through hard work, although they did often work hard. At the same time, don't make victim-like excuses for why you cannot awaken. Don't think like this, "Oh well, I'm not as gifted as Sadhguru so I will never awaken." No! You can still awaken. It will just take more work. This also explains why psychedelics play such an important role. They allow people to access states of consciousness which the best gurus access naturally and effortlessly. The psychedelic levels the playing field. It's like taking a pill that would match your chess-playing abilities to Gary Kasporov. Then you can experience what it's like to play chess at a world-class level. You get to see what the guru sees. This allows you to understand the guru much better because now there is a set of common reference experiences between you two. And of course this motivates you to do the work because you see the amazing potential of the work which you would otherwise never see.

LSD can definitely produce ego-death. At 125ug I get it basically every time. Every substance I've tried has produced ego-death for me at some point. Of course your results may vary. 5-MeO-DMT is definitely the best for it. It's like pure ego-death in powdered form.

Absolutely. In fact, I'd bet that the majority of enlightened people got there mostly due to their giftedness. It's just SO much easier that way. It's like being naturally high on psychedelics all the time. Similar to how the best weightlifters will be naturally selected for high testosterone. Those with naturally low testosterone simply won't be able to compete against them. Which is why many of the best gurus make the path sound easier than it actually is. It was easy for them. Yet it will be virtually impossible for ordinary folk. This is the kind of stuff gurus rarely admit. Because you cannot know this stuff from sitting on a meditation cushion. To know this requires broad psychological research which most gurus dismiss because it is not 1st person experience. Different brains have very different capabilities. It's not merely a matter of degree, it's also a different in kind. Some brains can access states and phenomena which other brains just cannot.

This is not true, but at your level of consciousness and development it is true for you. Nothing about enlightenment work suggests you should not have relationships. If anything, your relationships will deepen. But at the same time you will not need them to be happy. So you'll get the best of both. What you're not realizing yet is that you ARE always alone, existentially speaking. Self/other is a conceptual distinction you are creating. All those "others" you think you're relating to are actually projections of your Self. No amount of relating will resolve your existential aloneness. That's something you must face head-on. Don't worry, aloneness is not a problem. But if you feel like you need to connect with people, do so. What I'm talking about is more advanced than that. Many people here first just need to learn how to create relationships.

As you become more conscious you should automatically lie less. Of course being more honest and authentic is a great spiritual practice.

@now is forever And how long will it take to teach every horse on Earth to use your toilet?

Lying is just too useful to stop doing it

How would you reply if I made a post entitled: "How long is it going to take for horses to stop shitting?"

When you do 5-MeO properly, you will not need or want anything more. It is the pot of gold at the end of the psychedelic rainbow.

@Andreas You might as well be upset at a horse for shitting. Shitting has an important function, whether you like it or not.

No, it would actually make you more meditative and focused. Modafinil quiets the mind, but simultaneously makes it hyper-creative. Thoughts slow down but become more powerful and intuitive. Similar to a mild psychedelic.

You mean a good way for Yellow to bang some Green

They are not at odds with one another. Those "crazy" spiritual experiences facilitate the ego's dissolution. Besides which, the ego's dissolution is not the only game in town. If you hold the "sober" state as more real than a "crazy" high state, that's an anchor point which needs deconstructing. The value of shifting states is that it helps to free oneself of states. But also keep in mind that whatever state you are in, that state is defining and limiting your understanding of reality. There are things you can understanding in a crazy high state which you cannot understand in a sober state. So to put a sober state as superior or more "natural" than a high state is incorrect. It's a bias. This is not to say one should get attached to high states either. The point is to be open to experiencing life from various kinds of states without demonizing them. People get trapped chasing states. But people also get trapped demonizing states and proclaiming that their state is the best and that other states are useless.

I don't think you get my point though If you can't let go of your ego, why are you upset that other people cannot let go of theirs? They are just doing what you're doing. And thus religion persists. So you are literally the very source of the evil you decry.

How ironic! You are fooling yourself out of a spiritual life RIGHT NOW with this judgment.

@Andreas Don't project your hate onto me. I am not here to hate you or judge you or tell you are wrong. You can hate religion all you want. I'm merely pointing out that you are not being spiritual. If you are cool with not being spiritual or truthful, by all means, knock yourself out. All criticism and judgment is delusion. You are failing to accept/love: bullshit, abuse, manipulation, indoctrination, lying, etc. This is being done out of a lack of holistic perspective. You're not realizing how bullshit, abuse, manipulation, indoctrination, lying, etc. are all necessary for the Absolute Good of the universe. You are trying to make reality conform to your fantasies of how it SHOULD be. This comes from arrogance. The arrogance of thinking you know better than God how reality should be. This is the textbook definition of devilry. The devil refuses to surrender to Truth/God/Love. It is okay to be a devil. I accept you as the devil that you are because it cannot be otherwise. Devils cannot help being devils. I will love you even if you decide to keep being a devil

That was said to contrast it with stage Green's mob/communal mentality. Stage Yellow is a more independent thinker. For example, stage Green might love the idea of living in a Hippie commune. Stage Yellow will not care much for that because stage Yellow has transcended that and would rather be more independent. Of course this is a gross-generalization. Nothing strictly prevents a stage Yellow person from being part of a commune for a while.

If you were skeptical and questioned yourself, you'd realize that you yourself are an irrational belief which was indoctrinated from an early age, and that "problems" are also a belief, are not real, but a fiction constructed by your mind. So you are like that kid believing in Santa Claus (problems) and we are telling you to let it go. Be skeptical of problems and question whether they are real. Question your judgment of religion and reality. Can you see how your judgment destroys true exploration, open-mindedness, and spirituality? How can you be truly spiritual when you hate religion? True spirituality is acceptance and love of whatever is. By hating on religion you block yourself from being able to explore it openmindedly. Your entire problem with religion is grounded in ego. See? And the whole point of spirituality is to become conscious of how your ego distorts reality. But you're overlooking all that because of your hatred for religion. You are falling into the trap of the lesser Jihad. Just like how Islamic terrorists do. So you have more in common with Islamic terrorists than with the Buddha. To become a Buddha you must drop all judgment.

You are the placing this expectation on science. You are also placing an expectation on models that they must be 100% accurate. The issue isn't whether science will express Absolute Truth. The issue is, how does Absolute Truth/Infinite Intelligence work through science to generate scientific discoveries and models. A model is not supposed to be 100% accurate. That's not the issue. The issue is, how come you can understand anything about nature at all? Even with only 50% accuracy. That is still an amazing feat. And it's deeply connected to Infinite Intelligence. Science is, after all, an expression of Absolute Truth. Constructions of the human mind are still God's handy-work. How is it possible that science can produce a chemical which induces enlightenment? (And it can). What more could you want from science?

@SriBhagwanYogi Not really. Since there is nothing but myself, I just sit and look around at myself. There is nothing to find since I exist anywhere I look. At a certain point you just sit in silence and enjoy yourself. This is the essence of meditation.

Your tax dollars go to funding a stage Orange education system which leads to the indoctrination and suicide of many teens every year.

@Andreas And secular schools/universities & businesses are not child abuse? Children are indoctrinated in every culture at stages Orange and Green too. The core issue here is that you resist loving child abuse. You hate child abuse. That's understandable, but it is a deluded and false position. Since child abuse is a part of reality, you are just denying what is true. All judgments of reality are delusion. No exceptions. Your job is to love reality without exceptions. Notice how this threatens your ego. You refuse to do it. Because you are a devil.

Green has several limiting features which are important to transcend: Mob mentality Over-emphasis of connection, feelings, and relationship to the exclusion of facts, higher realities, and results New Agey, air-fairy thinking; overly upotian and naive rather than realistic, grounded, pragmatic. Green arrogance (thinking that Green is the most evolved stage) Excessive relativism, to the point of denying the importance of hierarchies and higher values A naive sort of love and sense of justice/fairness which doesn't fully appreciate the complexity of government, life, war, politics, relationships, business, etc. Demonization of stage Orange Lots of judgment still Under-appreciation of the dangers of stage Red Shallow, flaky forms of spirituality Lack of awareness of and appreciation of the necessity of the entire Spiral Stage Yellow people have MORE capacity for love, not less. Their love is more grounded and realistic than the overly-idealistic love of Green.

@Andreas When you and the rest of the world stops hating itself. Can you see how your hatred for religion is really just hatred of reality, and therefore hatred of yourself? Which is precisely what you don't like about religion. So you're hating on haters. Adding evil on top of evil does not create Good, it only compounds the evil. You have turned religion into your shadow. If you really want to transcend this issue, apply love to religious people. Stop seeing them as separate from you. Stop judging them. It would be helpful if you studied religion more and developed a deep understanding of why religion exists. Let me reframe your question from a fundamentalist religious person's POV: Christian: How long will it take until all Muslims are dead? Nazi Aryan: How long will it take until all Jew are dead? Muslim: How long will it take until all infidels are dead? That is what you're doing. Rather than dreaming of destroying stuff, how about you learn to accept reality as it is?

@ajasatya No, no, no. The movement of your hand is not at all the same as understanding Einstein's General Relativity and being able to predict the existence of a black hole 100 years before it is photographed. You are underappreciating the degree of intelligence and understanding that goes into science. It is not so mechanical, and you cannot seperate it from truth in the way that you are trying to do. You are creating a duality between science and truth. There is a profound connection between metaphysics and epistemology. This issue is far more nuanced and profound, and no bit of forum explanation is going to do it justice. You take understanding for granted. Genuine understanding is possible. This is a very amazing thing! How is it that a dumb simplification can predict a black hole? All of this must be deeply contemplated, not replied to with dismissive answers. Without properly understanding this issue science and spirituality will not be integrated but fragmented from each other. In the future, mankind will integrate the two.