Leo Gura

@Aeris To pull off something like that would require a social organization of some kind. At first this organization would seem noble and good. But over time thing would spiral out of hand and some giant spiritual ego would take it over, thus turning 5-MeO-DMT into a tool of the devil. You cannot get away from the devil. The devil corrupts everything. The purer you try to make a thing, the more the devil will seek to co-opt it.

@Revolutionary Think Don't forget Actualized Forum politics

I hear what you're saying. But I just wonder, when the Nazi's were coming to power in the 30's, what would you have proposed? The trick is that when you negotiate with fundamentalists they take and take and take and give nothing in return. I'm curious how you would negotiate with conservatives in America. Obama tried to appease them and it didn't work. They still smeared him as a socialist and undermined him at every turn. How would you deal with Trump and his evangelical base? You think they are going to negotiate with you and give any ground to stage Green? Would you advocate not to put pressure on the migrant concentration camps at the US border & on Trump? Vocal outrage can be an effective tool for social evolution as most people are complacent and unaware of what's really happening in society. The outrage can make people aware of the issue. I have read Elza Maalouf's book. I am really curious how you negotiate with people who precisely do not want rise above their worldview? Sometimes I feel like Integral Theory is too naive and idealistic about how ruthless politics can be. What do you consider the solution to Trump? Is it better to elect a centrist Democrat or a far left one like Bernie Sanders who will put pressure on the corporate domination of US politics and drive hard towards Green? I feel like Obama's approach towards the conservatives was somewhat stage Yellow, yet it did not work out so well because the conservatives just took advantage of of his moderation and willingness to compromise. When one side is acting like a devil, what do you do according to Spiral Dynamics? Because the devil is certainly clever enough to take advantage of a moderate Spiral Dynamics approach.

Notice how tricky such things are. Which is why politics is so messy and dirty. Don't forget, all politics is survival.

There is no such line because everything is relative. Remember, 150 years ago millions of people believed they had the right to own slaves. That's relativity. What's even crazier is that since you are all beings, you were one of them! So your judgment of slaveowners is itself self-bias! How do we get everyone in the world to acknowledge that he/she owned slaves at one point? LOL, good luck with that one.

@Nivsch Unfortunately ideals and flowery rhetoric often mask the true nature of the beast. Our Statue of Liberty says, "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." yet we hold asylum seekers in concentration camps right this minute. Zionism may have good intentions, but the practical result of such an ideology results in putting Jews first, above all others. Which is problematic. I know there are many Jews who don't support the right-wing Israeli government. Good for them. Be more vocal.

Study & awakening solves that. Awakening solves that. Find your life purpose and learn some business & career skills. Awakening solves that. - - - - - - Psychedelics will directly address #1, #2, and #4. And they can even help you find your LP for #3.

The body is a hallucination, just like everything else. There is no fundamental difference between your body and your thoughts -- if you are conscious enough. The body is actually being willed into existence by Universal Mind. God's Will made manifest creates every cell in your body. The body is made out of Infinite Consciousness. But none of this will make a lick of sense unless you're in a nondual state of consciousness. So go do some psychedelics or Kriya yoga or whatever.

Then again, mushrooms can be deadly serious.

Depends on your goals. What do you want?

Some psychedelics make one very humorous. I get that on mushrooms mostly.

Excellent! Let's keep building this list. There must be even more such programs.

Of course the leadership can change, but Israeli politics has been heavily dominated by Zionists for a long time, just as right now American politics is heavily dominated by nationalists. It's like blaming America for the Iraq War even though many Americans were against it. But as a national we deserve to be blamed for allowing such things to happen in our name.

That makes all the difference in the world. If every rich & powerful person snorted 5-MeO-DMT instead of cocaine, the world would change overnight and half our problems would be solved.

@Yonkon It would actually be pretty easy. Rich people all know each other. All you gotta do is convert one of them and then they will do the work of converting the rest. Similar to how Christianity took over the Roman Empire with the conversion of Emperor Constantine.

Sounds nice in theory but they will lobby against it and smear you as a communist welfare queen.

Keep calm and carry on. I already did. Earlier in this long ass thread. Good luck finding it.

@Truth Addict Well, try to see how many tomato plants you can grow in one pot before they stop growing due to depletion of soil nutrients. It will be less than you think. Farmers use fertilizer and crop rotation for a reason. You can't just keep growing plants on a plot of land forever. If only life was so easy.

There's some groupthink here, but no it cannot get out of hand because I control it and I have no interest in using it for such purposes. There's not really an organization here, just people posting random stuff. "The Family" has a deliberate mission to spread their ideology. They are basically doing covert missionary work at a geopolitical level. Funny enough, I had actually considered a similar plan. What if we took the world's top 500 richest and most powerful people and took them through a full course of 5-MeO-DMT? Giving them legit awakenings. That could transform the entire world overnight. But it could also lead to a lot of devilry so I'm not foolish enough to try that. It's not a good idea to force spirituality on people.

@AleksM The big question is, who you gonna tax to fund it?

Yes, that's precisely that challenge of evil. Eradicating evil is so hard because one cannot see it in oneself. Everyone is quick to see the self-biases of others but not oneself. And thus the Greater Jihad degrades into the Lesser Jihad. You must be ruthlessly truthful and objective with yourself. This is comes at the cost of emotional labor. This is an important point which needs to be underscored. The devil does most of his work in a collective. A collective allows for the near total masking of self-bias, since if you manage to surround yourself with 1000 people who share your self-bias, you will look out at the world and it will seem like you have no self-bias because your self-biases are perfectly reflected back at you. This is why people in conformist groups do some really evil shit. The collective absolves them of responsibility. It's like becoming a minnow in a school of fish. No one minnow controls the entire school. They all just go with the flow until they drive themselves off the cliff. Collective spirituality is a very dangerous game. It's almost guaranteed to be co-opted by the devil. Which is why I don't grow Actualized.org into an actual organization with staff.

Yes, you can't conquer the devil through criticism. The devil is conquered through love. But it is important to expose the devil's machinations to the light of awareness, to bring it into public light. That's a very important function in society that we need more of.

Yes, I've tried it. To me Kriya pranayama seems more potent so I do that instead. I get the sense that Sadhguru doesn't share his most potent techniques because his program is designed to be extremely mainstream and he doesn't want to freak out poor grannies with epic existential mindfuckery. To me, the most important aspect of yoga is the pranayama spinal breathing. Without that, it feels like weak sauce to me and I don't want to waste my time with weak sauce. I want something that will rival 5-MeO-DMT. When I do pranayama to me it feels powerful. So that's what I focus on most. But I'm no expert at yoga. I just follow my intuition.

Air is part of the Earth. And plants are mostly water. It's all one interconnected system.

Of course they are totally ignorant of what they are really doing. They have no idea how the devil works through them. They have no consciousness of self-survival, self-agenda, or self-bias. The ego is designed to do all of these survival manipulations automatically below the radar of one's awareness. It's only by doing a lot of the kind of work that we do here at Actualized.org that you start to see the sneaky nature of your ego. From an ego's POV, everything it does is for the greatest good. The ego creates justification and stories to make everything look good, truthful, and innocent. The ego is good by definition. How can that be? Because the ego said so and there was no one to question it. This is precisely self-bias in action. The person is not aware of his self-bias, and neither is an organization like this Family. They truly believe they are doing God's work and that if everyone on Earth became a follower of Jesus the Earth would be saved. This looks plausible from their POV because they don't care about the POVs of other people nor do they care about religious freedoms of others. "Jesus + nothing". Yes, it works just like with Hitler. Hitler thought he was going the greatest good for his people. The whole tragedy of stage Blue is that it simply cannot see outside its own paradigm. It's absolutely paradigm locked and it's in denial about it. But don't forget, you do this too. It's easy to see others doing this sneaky shit and get outraged, but your own mind does this sort of stuff every day in ways you don't yet realize. After all, don't you believe you're a good person? Why is that? If everyone is such a good person why is there so much cruelty in the world? There is actually not such thing as conscious evil. All evil is unconscious, even though it may be very strategic like in this documentary. Even the leader does not really understand what he is doing. He has fooled himself into thinking he's spreading the will of God. But actually he's spreading his ego. This documentary is a textbook example of "spiritual ego". That's how bad it can get. Which is why it's so important for us to study such things in detail. Lest we become like that ourselves.