Leo Gura

Jesus did not leave a shitstorm. He spread the word about God as best as he could in his era. You have to remember that people were basically barbarians and slaves back then. So for them, Christianity was cutting edge high tech stuff, like the iPhone of their time. Remember that 99% of people could not read back then. And there were no books! Also, stop taking the word "devil" literally. These are nuanced teachings which require a highly intuitive and figurative mind to properly decipher.

See, this is what I mean by combining spirituality and politics. This is how society self-actualizes at the collective level. Conscious and engaged citizenry produces a better society. Maybe it's time to donate some coin to the Oregon campaign. They have a good shot at passing it with all those hippie Oregonians.

Yes, but Green is still not thinking about it systemically. Green is mostly doing it from her heart. That's all great, but it is not the kind of full-bore systemic thinking I described. Green is still looking at the situation from a personal agenda level, it just so happens that saving the Earth is now part of her personal agenda. Yellow and above is more impersonal. And yet still very personal! Tier 2 is more detached.

I don't hate Orange. It's just limited. BTW, I'm no fan of dogmatic Muslims. They can be extremely annoying. Blindly being right doesn't count for much. An atheist is still more developed than a Blue Muslim. We need more Green Muslims.

Hazzah! If true then domino #1 has fallen.

@kieranperez A high quality guru will not let you fawn over them. It is critical in this work to stand on your own two feet. You must become totally self-guiding in the end, otherwise you have not realized your full Godhood. As God you can have no one to hold your hand. You must become your own authority. For this reason I do not agree with the path of devotion. To me it is not the highest path. It still has that subtle duality of me vs my guru. That must collapse. There is only one thing in the universe: YOU! It feels very good to not need any gurus. You take full ownership of your creation. Of course you can still learn from people. I learn from 100s of sources. I just keep a professional distance. I don't try to crawl up their holy ass hole.

I don't like his approach. It's far too simplistic, black and white, and non-integral. It does not recognize that people are at very different stages of development. For a stage Red person, belief in Christ can be a positive life transforming event which moves him up to Blue, and it is legit spirituality, just not the highest level of nondual awakening. Nor do I think he has realized the deepest level of awakening. Mindlessly destroying all beliefs not going to cut it. I would much rather you follow Sadhguru than that guy.

Just consider this: if humanity does not take climate change seriously over the next 20 years, there will be massive Purple, Red, and Blue casualities. Tens of millions of people will die, not to mention the irreversible environmental damage. Meanwhile JP is bitching about post-modernism. It's a total red herring. We got serious issues to deal with.

How many times do I have to say that LP is not a selfish thing, it is the highest form of love and service to the world! You are turning a beautiful thing into a tool of the devil. You must align your purpose with the good of the world. Becoming a politician is not at all necessary to help the world. There are literally millions of opportunities to help the world every year. You just have to open your eyes and see how everything is interconnected.

God created relationship so that the depth of your love could really be put to the test. It's easy to love the world when you're sitting alone in a cave because there are no fools or devils to deal with. Try being enlightened while running for president. Now there's a real test of your consciousness! Osho was an enlightened master, but his community was full of devilry.

Just notice how much people LOVE to disagree about nonduality. "Bro, my nonduality is twice as big as your nonduality." "Nah, bro. My nonduality is nonduality times infinity." "Shut up bro, my nonduality is nonduality times infinity to infinity." "Bro, that's not nonduality, that's just your mystical experience. Who's the one aware of your nonduality?"

Sure, that's a possible path. But what I teach with Actualized.org is a DIY approach to life and spirituality. Be your own guru sorta thing. That's my bias. Do whatever you want. You will anyway.

We have rules on this sub-forum about Nonduality Wars.

Everyone who is not conscious of what reality is, who he is, what God is, and how the mind works, is a devil. As long as you realize the above, hold whatever opinions you want. There are also many degrees of devilry. So it's not all the same. Most people are minor devils. A few are big fat devils, like Trump. When people have a big following, like JP, they will get more push back for their devilry because it has the potential to create many minor devils out of the sheep. The converse is also true. Angels who gather big followings will also get enormous push back because they will disturb the devil's plans. A big angel is of greater threat to society than the biggest fattest devils. Devils can mostly tolerate their own. What they cannot tolerate is brightly glowing angels.

@NoSelfSelf You are missing that you are member of society whether you like it or not, whether you're enlightened or not. Society can only function when its citizens are well-educated and conscious. If the most conscious people stick their head in the sand and only focus on making their own personal lives work consciously, then society will be seized by the most unconscious right-wing nationalist tyrants. That's how Hitler and WWII happens. As a human being you have to take responsibility for your role within a collective. Personal enlightenment is good but not good enough! Which is why enlightened masters become Bodhisattvas, to help elevate the rest of mankind. They are playing a much bigger game than their own personal enlightenment. Personal enlightenment is a cake walk compared to enlightening society. If you are the whole universe, then you are also society. You cannot treat yourself as only an individual unit, only a personal human life. You are also the collective! The life of all beings is your responsibility. You are God after all. How can you neglect your creation? Are you really going to sit by and watch devilry prevail? No! You cannot. It is actually impossible. Love and consciousness will move you to towards the highest Good. To be fully conscious is to take responsibility for EVERYTHING to the point where you are willing to lay your life down for the greater Good. That is literally God's work. God did not design this wondrous creation through negligence or selfishness.

No, there is politics at every stage of the Spiral. By being ignorant of politics and world events you are putting yourself into the worst possible position and dooming society to remain unconscious. You cannot avoid politics any more than you can avoid metaphysics. You're already doing it. The only question is, how conscious is your politics? Sticking your head in the sand is precisely why our politics is so ugly.

@Not me Most right-wing politics is very reactionary and grounded in fear. But when the left-wing gets totally out of hand, then right-wing politics will have some value. For example, if true communists take over the government and call for totally abolishing private property, then right-wing ideas will be an important countervailing force to bring things back into balance. But we are nowhere close to that yet in America. We basically have zero truly communist political leaders here. Not sure about how things are in Finland. The right-wing loves to portray moderate Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders as radical communists. But that's just their fear reaction, not reality. Hell, they called Obama a Muslim socialist, LOL! People don't appreciate what true socialism is: it's the abolition of all private means of production. Almost not country has that and almost no leader calls for that. Because it's not practical. Even China and North Korea don't have true socialism. A highly conscious person will not be right-wing, but she will also be wary of the excesses and dogmas of the left-wing. Left-wing is predominately stage Green, and stage Green definitely has some important blind spots and limitations. You cannot have stage Green run amok without any countervailing force or there will be problems. But the right-wing tends to over-exaggerate this threat.

@andyjohnsonman A nice newbie trip

Even if you stay in a cave, people will come to kiss your feet and worship you. Ramana Maharshi lived in a cave. He had thousands of followers coming to kissing his ass. It's actually not so easy to be a recluse. You will become famous just for being a recluse. So it's not so simple.

Very good. That is a first small step. There will be many more steps in your journey. Hang in there and keep going deeper. Feeling low will pass. Keep your eye on the big picture. And don't forget to be kind to yourself and love yourself. Acknowledge the enormous progress you've made. Try to enjoy this whole process. Don't turn it into a grind or an obligation. Pursue Truth/Love/Consciousness joyfully!

No! That is so backwards. You are condemning all teachers of enlightenment as somehow inferior, when it is actually the opposite. They are exhibiting the highest Love, making sacrifices for you. There is nothing wrong with not teaching or living in a cave. But there is also nothing wrong with teaching and living in a city. People have different callings and paths. There is no one superior path. You pick the path which most aligns with who you want to be. Don't expect everyone to follow the same path. Don't expect everyone to follow your path.

A) I have no problem with Sadhguru. He is clearly doing God's work in a masterful way. B) With that said, you can still easily gets bamboozled, not by him, but by your own mind's worshiping of him. It's precisely because he's so good that you will tend to become dependent on him as your spiritual daddy/authority, which would create a subtle duality in your consciousness and prevent you from thinking independently and walking your own unique path. C) I have gotten guidance under many real gurus. After I get my guidance I go my own way. I don't hang around to fawn over them, nor do I expect them to do my work for me. I also realize the partiality of any guru's teachings. The better the teacher, the greater the problem. See that?

There's nothing wrong with pissing into the wind, said the devil, just as he unzipped his fly and pulled out his...

This is God's sandbox. God doesn't need anyone to validate his work. His work is to please himself and be himself. His creation is his own gift to himself. How else could it be? It's not that there are no other people. It's that all people are yourself.

This has never been about the money. It's about helping people understand reality. You might as well ask, why didn't Jesus or Gandhi retire and live in a cabin in the woods? They had much higher callings. Do not confuse these callings for ego. That would be a big mistake. God does its work through conscious people. How else do you think Goodness happens?