Leo Gura

That's the wisest thing I've heard so far in this thread.

Probably. Hard to say. In the end you are imagining all "awake" people. There is only one thing that can Awaken -- YOU! YOU! YOU!

Consciousness becomes more conscious of itself. The variable that deepens is consciousness! Since consciousness is all there is. God awakens to itself at higher and higher levels. When God is fully Awake, it has complete omniscience -- complete understanding of how it creates itself and what it is. If you ain't conscious of how you created your own mother, you ain't Awake. Real Awakening is a sort of self-understanding. You understand what everything is at ever more total levels. This is not a mental or intellectual knowledge. Your understanding is fused with the being of universe itself. Your understanding is what creates the walls of your house. The walls of your house are made out of pure Understanding/Consciousness.

Nobody on this forum is Awake. Peter Ralston is not Awake. Rupert Spira is not Awake. Ekhart Tolle is not Awake. Sadhguru is not Awake. Etc. Stop assuming these people are Awake. They are not. And neither are you. Real Awakening is beyond all that. And you will never ever reach it through meditation or self-inquiry.

Just take a psychedelic and all that silliness will fly out the window.

That's only the beginning. You are taking your default state so for granted. What I'm talking about is not just mind experiences, but degrees of awakeness. Not everyone is conscious in the same way. There is much more to this than you can imagine. So keep an open mind.

Well, I've gotten to Infinite Consciousness. So can't complain.

Well, Sahaja Samadhi is supposedly well-documented to be possible. But that is far short of the peak you can hit on 5-MeO-DMT. So while Sahaja is clearly possible, beyond that I don't know.

Yes, but you will not be able to sustain the peak. Not even close. Still worth it. Rather than following some dogmatic plan, just explore and experiment. Who knows what you'll discover?

Bahahahaha!

There's truth in that.

And we are doing that. I love the feminine.

The DMT world takes place in the same place as your room. It's just a new room.

This is still a relative value judgment you're making. The middle of Iraq is as wonderful and amazing and beautiful as the DMT realm. But this requires great consciousness to see. You take our world for granted because you're so used to it. But the DMT aliens would be amazed if they ever entered our world.

God HAS made this world the highest expression of consciousness and love. But you are not conscious enough to see it. Because you're stuck in the relative survival domain. The problem is, your idea of "highest expression of love" is incorrect. God's idea of it correct. And it has been made actual. Love is a very counter-intuitive thing. You think it should be all rainbows and butterflies, but that's wrong! That's not the highest love. The highest love includes viruses and death and suffering. Why? Because the highest Love must even love viruses, death, and suffering! The highest Love must be unconditional. The problem is you hate viruses, death, and suffering. Because you are selfish. But God does not hate those things. Because God is selfless. Stop asking God to stoop down to your level. Instead, muster the courage to raise your perspective to God's level. So you can appreciate the Love.

Sure, that's a good thing. I'm not against that. But there is a trap there. If you quit seeking too early, if you become too satisified with yourself too early, you will not reach the highest level of God realization. There has to be a certain thirst for higher understanding. Most spiritual teachers today sell their students short. They don't give students a proper understanding of the depth of God realization possible. They only take their students half-way up the mountain. This is a great shame. Their students never realize what God truly is. There is much higher to go than Tolle or Mooji.

Yes, but this is still within the domain of the relative and survival. This is correct from the human perspective. But there is a much higher perspective. From the highest perspective, God sees no difference between anything. In its eyes, nothing is ever wrong or bad. It doesn't see illness as bad and it does not recognize survival as any more important than non-survival. This is the Absolute domain. You are mixing up the relative and absolute domains.

By seeking feeling better, you doom yourself to a life of suffering and misery. UNDERSTANDING is the most important thing! Understanding solves every problem. The reason you don't feel good is because you don't understand enough. You are confusing two different things. Of course harsh discipline is still Love in the absolute sense. I just said here that it's not how I choose to live my life. The more conscious you become the more effortless and loving you'll want to live your life. For example, you'll have less desire to murder people. That doesn't mean murder isn't Love in the absolute sense. But if I'm choosing how to live my life, and I'm conscious about it, I will choose not to murder people. This doesn't change the fact that murder is still Love. But not-murdering is more in alignment with higher levels of consciousness. So if I see someone murdering another, I will totally understand it as Love. But that doesn't mean I will engage in the murder myself, or support it politically. Because I can still have a desire for a society where murder isn't common. That is how a higher consciousness being chooses to express its Love. The more conscious you become, the more "godly" you will want to act. The more conscious I become, the less desire I have to force myself to do stuff. Effortlessness is a higher quality of God, even though all qualities are qualities of God.

No, there's no mistake. Yes, consciousness is so infinite that it gets fragmented and lost inside itself. Until one day it finds itself again. Until it loses itself again. Until it finds itself again. Consciousness is engaged in a never-ending process of self-exploration and being. You want to know what it's like to be a homeless crack whore? Go live one lifetime like that. You want to know what it's like to be a kangaroo? Go live one lifetime like that. And so on, forever. This is the only way you can truly come to know yourself. Since you are all things. It's not good enough for someone to tell you about it. You must live through it. Who could tell God about God when there's no one other than God? God can only learn about itself by exploring itself. God has no one to ask for help, or advice, or answers. God gets answers by experiencing itself. For God to know what an asshole is, it has to grow one and touch it and use it.

You won't know until you try. Besides which, you got something better to do?

I don't know if game is the right word for it. It's God being God.

I mostly practice do-nothing, unforcefully. But I'm also experimenting with improving my concentration, which I do very forcefully. I like to experiment with different things a lot. So I don't have one simple practice like many people.

@Roy My top 5 haven't changed much. Understanding is still my highest.

That's a tricky situation. If you're doing concentration practices, yes, those are forceful (at least in the beginning until you train it up a lot). But do-nothing is not forceful. Do-nothing is not concentration. Concentration is very much doing something. You could try doing both at different parts of the day. Have one forceful practice and one unforced one. See which works better for you.

The fact is it's really hard to know how awake such ancient people were. There's 2000 years of dogma and mythology surrounding such figures. We don't have unbiased records of them. The records come from their students and devotees, which can't really be trusted. Maybe The Buddha was banging groupies. We don't know.