Leo Gura

Why are you so cantankerous? I didn't trick you. Seeing the dogmas of liberalism is no easy thing.

Oh please. This is why guys like Trump win. Liberals have the aesthetic of being giant pussies. You come off as caring more about the murderer's feelings than the feeling of their victims. You gotta read the room you're in.

I made this point so you guys start really questioning your liberal assumptions and start to appreciate some of the genuine value in conservatism. It's too easy to see the good in liberalism, that's not interesting. What's much more interesting is seeing the limits of liberalism and widsom in real conservatism. That's what you're missing.

The argument is very simple and common sense: you commit a heinous murder, we have you on video doing it, the consequence is the end of your life. It's clean, fair, effective. Standards of proof of the murder need to be clear and high. It is actually absurd that this position is so offensive to liberals and gets me called out as some edgey political barbarian. You don't have to agree with my position, but at least have the decency not to smear me for it just because it doesn't align with your liberal dogmas of compassion toward evergthing that moves.

That's exactly the liberal dogma I wish to challenge and reject. This kind of attitude fails in practice. Kindness is great when it is warranted and earned. Not in the case of dealing with a mass murderer. And to be clear, I am not advocating cruelty for the sake of cruelty. But if someone commits a premeditated murderer, killing him humanely does not contradict kindness or love.

I have scars on my body from some of my trips. Like that kiwi.

@Scholar I am not claiming to be some sort of arbiter of ultimate good. My activity within the political domain is much more grounded: I seek to understand how these social systems actually work. Like a science, I try to predict how they behave and why they behave as they do. Whether there is or isn't a death penalty is of little attachment for me. Both are workable systems. You paint me out to be some kind of unreasonable political lunatic when my political positions have always been grounded and common sense.

It's just how survival works. This doesn't mean a CEO's life is worth more morally. But it is worth more in terms of survival, and survival function is very important to consider in matters of politics because it is predictive of how politics unfolds. You can act like you are above survival, but you are not. And certainly politics is not. My aim is not to be moral or good or whatever, it's simply to accurately predict how society functions. In order to do that I must understand that a CEO has more survival value than a drug addict. It's nothing personal.

I am not a utilitarian. Just because I am not soft on murderers and assassins does not make me a heartless abstract utilitarian. Consider that there ways to be conscious, compassionate, and also strict. The liberal attitude is not the only way to be good. Liberals don't have a monopoly on goodness or rightness.

That is shame.

Lying? Justifying your job is not a factual matter. It's not a matter of lying. It's a matter of perspective. Can Musk justify what he did in the last week at Tesla to justify him keeping his job? It's an asinine way to manage an organization. No job can be seriously justified on the basis of last week's task list.

I am still open to talking with him because it would help him and his audience evolve their worldivew. We'll see. They are not irredeemable. Destiny and his audience will be forced to grow up regardless. So in the end all this is good for them, they are forced to look at themselves in the mirror.

Of course. But life must go on. You can't win every battle. We tried, people were foolish.

Put your theory to the test. Does this assassination actually end up improving healthcare? I doubt it.

As if a bad gov employee will have any problem writing an email justifying his job. You can ask Grok to write you a bulleted list of why your gov job is highly essential. This email scheme is just so dumb in concept. It's like writing a group of people: "Please tell us if you are a bad person so we can fire you." Thinking this is how you remove bad people from an organization. Shows you the joke that DOGE is.

Indeed. This point is lost on most liberals. Never forget the value of a dictator. Assassinating dictators is not the win you want it to be. Thinking that you can assassinate your way out of a systemic problem is a very childish kind of politics.

Yes, but whatever the causes, the fact remains that CEOs are usually hardworking and have necessary skills which few others have. You can invoke inequality of opportunity, but you cannot claim that a CEO is equal to a guy flipping burgers at McDonalds. A CEO works harder than a guy flipping burgers at McDonalds. This is just the reality of business. A CEO is responsible for the jobs of thousands of people and the 401ks of millions of people. That is highly relevant because we are talking about collective survival.

Law is not applied so cut and dry. Judges are given lots of leeway in how to apply the law. That's why they need good judgment and superior moral intelligence. Application of law is not a mechanical meat-grinder. It involves consciousness. Of course that can be abused, but it can also be used properly.

It all depends. Don't paint everyone and everything as equally corrupt. Some cases are corrupt and some are not. Not necessarily. Killing powerful people to make a political point might deserve a unique punishment because such action is much more destablizing to society. We do not want to encourage people to think they can influence politics through assassination. This is a very bad precident which you will regret at some point. Judges are given legal discretion to account for such things. This is not corruption, this is their offical duty. A judge weighs the damage that crimes do to the stability of the community. No, I am talking about the nuances of the real legal system, rather than elementary school notions of law. Crimes have variable impacts on the community, as you clearly see in this case where half the country is cheering Luigi on as a hero. This is not a normal murder.

It literally is more valuable. A guy on the street does not create value for society. A CEO does. You guys have forgotten something very basis: rich people ARE more valuable because they create more value, all else being equal. Not all people are equally valuable. This is a liberal delusion. A CEO is able to get things done which ordinary people are not. Until you understand this, you will not understand how society works. Note: do not come at me with arguments about how rich people can be corrupt. Of course they can and are. That is desides the point. Being corrupt and getting things done go hand in hand. And no, not all murder is the same. Political assassination is a different level of murder.

My argument is maintaining a culture of strictness and seriousness. To prevent the creep of laxity. You people have forgotten the true value of conservatism. Conservatism is not all MAGA buffoonery.

Americans started out as lizards crawling out of the ocean.

A pitchfork mob is NOT the state. Come on now.

I already did that over the last 2 years. I scaled back my work output a lot, as you saw -- because that's what my growth required.

Medication for a real disorder is different. But keep in mind that a lot of disorders are fake and medication too can be abused.