Leo Gura

Bullseye. Reasoning with music fans is like reasoning with religious fanatics.

Behave yourself.

They are really consistent but that doesn't mean they aren't a dream. Life is an insanely consistent dream.

He didn't necessarily have sex with them. He could have just groped them and jerked off in front of them. So it is certainly not 100 percent or 0. It was likely something in the middle.

I don't want to argue with him. And he is not open to changing his views or talking like peers.

Well, this is a problem. How can I give you something stronger than weed if you can't handle weed? That would be irresponsible of me.

Well, I don't know how bad yours is, but I never said that disqualifies you from psychedelics. OCD is a strange condition which I don't know how it mixes with psychedelics. Perhaps someone here who has OCD and has done psychedelics can chime in.

Maybe that's your problem right there What disorder you got?

He has a very cold, logical, overly masculine mental attitude toward everything. With that kind of attitude, love could get lost. He is so cold that if you squirt water up his ass you'll get an ice cube.

Why not?

He is autistic. So likely that's the reason. He is too detached from feeling. He is also so insulated, he takes zero feedback from any of his peers. His students just echo back everything he tells them, which creates a dangerous echochamber for him.

That's your problem right there

MJ would spend hours and hours on international phone calls with children. This is wrong in and of itself. An adult has no business in hours and hours of long private conversations with stranger's children. There is no way that is ever appropriate and not creepy. To me it is obvious he was grooming them. That is classic grooming behavior.

Only to the blind.

That is definitely true. However, I don't listen to their words, I look at MJ's behavior.

Love is an ontological matter. If you regard it as a feeling that means you don't understand what it really is. That is analogous to the mistake of saying that truth is just an idea. Imagine if Ralston was teaching about Truth and I stood up and said, "But truth is just an idea man! It's just a word in your head."

This is good, fair analysis of the situation:

No. Love has nothing do with semantics. You are either conscious that everything is Love or you are not. If this puzzles you, then you aren't conscious of Love. If is no different than the word God. If the word God puzzles you, then you aren't conscious of it. When you say, "But calling it love is just a word", that means you haven't realized Love. It's not just a word. Infinite Love is being pointed to and you're not getting it.

This is bad logic. The point of all this work is to unify various ideas in your divided mind. World and mind are two different things until you realize they are identical. And so on.

This is an unnecessary demonization. He wasn't a monster. He was just messed up in the head. Technically we don't know if he had sex with them. But we know for sure he slept in the same bed with them. Which is already wrong. And that he didn't see it as wrong is doubly wrong. From what I understand it was confirmed that he gave kids wine and porn. That is enough for me. I don't need to know anymore.

It's not a theory. That is absolutely the case. What the fuck does this prove? It proves nothing. You are using the logic of a child. Pain does not disprove Oneness/Unity. If you put your hand in the fire it will hurt. Hurt is also you. Still puzzles me how he cannot see that Oneness/Unity is Love. This is the single most important ontological insight ever. How he misses boggles my mind.

That is poor logic. Criminals self-snitch. MJ is so messed up in the head that he doesn't even understand it's wrong. A guy like him could have sex with a child and feel fully convinced it was good for the child. I'm sure is his mind it's all just love. The real question you should be asking yourself is this: Why didn't MJ have any sexual relationships with hot women which he could easily have gotten? MJ was obviously not into adult women. And I don't think he was into adult men either. So either he was completely asexual, or he was a pedo. Which do you think is more likely? MJ fans want me to buy that MJ was asexual. I don't buy it. MJs lifestyle and behavior around children was exactly what you'd expect of a pedophile. Many pedophiles don't think what they do is wrong. They see it as love.

No. It is wrong per se. Children do not need MJ sleeping in their bed. That is the definition of wrong.

Yeah, but the puzzle is how that is possible. How can one be conscious of Infinity but not conscious of Love?

Infinity. Once again, there is nothing which is not you.