Leo Gura

Cute, but a bit low-brow for this forum. Making fun of her is too easy.

I didn't say chakras are bullshit. But they are imaginary.

It is not subjective at all. Reality is Absolute Perfection when you look at with a high enough degree of consciousness, free from all of your biases and attachments. God did not make any mistakes. That's what's so astounding about awakening. It is unbelievably Good.

Yes. Embodiment will always filter through your genetics, mind, personality type, character, etc. It will be different because how Truth is manifested very much depends on the structure of your mind. Truth is One, but how it gets manifest can vary enormously. Not necessarily. There will not be any simple formulas for this kind of thing. People simply have very different personalities and minds. The complexity of variables is staggering. Yes No Awakening will make your innate character and personality stand out more. You will be more "you" than ever. You will be more authentic and unique as a character. For example, as I had awakenings I noticed they actually made me less nicer and less outwardly cheery because I realized those were masks I wore for much of my life so that people like me. So I actually became more authentically me, but at the cost of people perhaps liking me less because I no longer wear the masks they want. You stop giving a fuck about pleasing other humans. Of course some humans will not like this, because they like to be pleased. The bottom line is, just be true to yourself and let the chips fall where they will.

It's just to say that your mind is not infallible. You might as well ask why no human live has been immune to making a mistake.

@Derek White Your view on this matter is overly-simplistic and naive. Gain more experience actually doing the work and you will make some new distinctions.

So? I would rather have partial understanding of Hitler than no understanding. But also, there is such a thing as Total Understanding too. Understanding does always have to be partial. If they are the same, then why are you worried about my embodiment? Sure But God is not the only issue at stake in this discussion. There is much else to understand about life. And not all of it needs to be embodied. Consider the possibility that I simply value understanding for its own sake, and you don't. It's like I'm telling you that I enjoy chocolate ice cream and you're telling me, "Something is wrong with you. You shouldn't enjoy it."

I was subtly alluding to there being something higher than your kunadilini awakening. But I will not try to prove it you.

Because it is necessary. You just lack the consciousness and intelligence to see the necessity of children dying. Everything that exists is absolutely necessary and could not be otherwise. Reality is Absolute Perfection. The only problem is that your vision is clouded.

Don't even take my word. Of course, but that's AFTER you deal with horror of it. Personally, I love it! But if you're worried about solipsism being true, you probably won't love it so much. I don't necessarily love anyone any more in the the relative human sense. My love is very metaphysical and detached. Most people would not even consider it love. It's very subtle. It's a deep inner love for reality itself, not towards any particular person or thing. Imagine if you will that you just fell in love with the idea of reality itself. Be careful what you assume about me. I have not removed all my ego or its desires. Still plenty of that left. I have never made any promises or pretenses about "removing all my ego / desires". You guys often fall into the trap of assuming this about me, and it's very misleading. You will be disappointed. The only different between me and you is that I understand what reality is. You don't. That's all. This understanding does not make me some magical special extra-good person. You will find plenty of humans who don't know anything about reality and yet are nicer and kinder that I am. I am a bit of a jerk, actually. I am not too empathetic and I don't care very much about people's personal feelings. Mostly all I care about is understanding reality. You may find this difficult to relate to. How can it be explained? In many ways I look at the world just as you do. The only difference is that I understand what God is. You do not. Again, it's a very subtle shift in perception. Nothing crazy. Who says it needs to manifest in any way at all? Truth is Truth. Truth is not there to be used by you for anything. You just enjoy it. Maybe it helps you not take life too seriously. Mostly no different than before. I just also know in the back of my mind that they are projections of my own mind. Most of my interactions with humans are transactional. I am not kissing the mail man when he drops off my mail. In fact, I don't even know his name. Mostly I avoid humans. I'm not running around hugging everyone. I keep to myself and try to enjoy my life and work on my life purpose. I am not an extroverted person or a social person. Now, of course, I can still socialize if I choose to. But I have little desire to do so. You may be different. People have different personalities. It could, but your ideas of awakening are too fantastical. Mostly nothing happens. You have some awakening and then go about taking out the trash. It's not like fireworks are shooting out of my dick every day.

I already know.

This is some good stuff! Thanks for sharing. Although I should add, I see plenty of egoic projection in some of these critiques. Students often become disgruntled for whatever personal reasons and need someone to blame and they are too ignorant to understand the position of a deeply mystical and God-realized person. My biggest critique of Sat Yoga is that I doubt there is a single person there who is woke other than Shunya. As you become his little sheep servant monkey -- you won't have the time to awaken. You'll be too busy pulling weeds from his garden. The way I evaluate the quality of an ashram is based on how much time they actually give you to meditate. If you only have 2 hours per day to meditate, that's a shitty ashram. If you get 10 hours per day to meditate, that's a great ashram. Before joining any community make sure you are not just being used as a source of cheap manual labor. Also, the large sums of money they demand, if true, is a huge red flag. That's one of the reddest flags of a proper cult. You should not be paying any spiritual guru tens of thousands of dollars.

That's technically correct. However, you do not have enough time in your life to embody everything. You can only embody a tiny amount of what you can understand. And it is not desirable to embody Hitler. But you can still understand him within reason without embodiment. Embodiment will always be a subset of understanding. You don't need to punch yourself in the face to understand that doing so is not a good idea.

How would you know? Maybe it's not all the same.

When you finish deconstructing deconstruction, you will realize that consciousness is Infinite Absolute Truth. You think you can escape consciousness somehow, but you can't because consciousness is all there could ever be. You won't understand how I know this until you awaken. Until then you will be under the illusion that something outside of consciousness can exist. What I am telling you is not a theory or a speculation. It is 100% certain. This is the whole point and promise of awakening. It is 100% certain. No doubt is possible.

There is nothing else. That's what you fail to grasp.

@FoxFoxFox You can have infinite consciousness without any of that. In fact, all of that is imaginary. People conflate these independent variables.

My patience for nonsense is limited.

Lol I don't even know why I bother casting pearls here.

Dude, your posts seriously lack nuance. If you keep going down this road of misunderstanding you will be asked to leave the forum. You are misunderstanding a lot of stuff. Spiral Dynamics is a relative fiction. I share it with you guys as training wheels for making some bit of sense of the social and political landscape -- without which you would be lost like a baby in the middle of the ocean.

@yannick Very interesting! Thanks for sharing your experiences. When I was there I definitely got strong group-think vibes. They worship Shunya way too much. But nothing I saw was a cult. But then again, my exposure to them was only 1 week long. All of Shunya's behaviors that I observed were of very high integrity. And he clearly knows this shit. My biggest gripe with him was his constant apocalyptic talk. Everything is framed as mainstream society is about to collapse any day, and this ashram is the only island of salvation. The people I met there were very nice, but they felt like sheep, not deep critical thinkers. Then again, Sat Yoga is basically a monastery. So you have to set your expectations appropriately. Monasteries are hardcore and conformist places.

No. It is not I who says their morality has an objective basis. It is THEY who say that. I say that all morality is just selfishness. Practical is just selfishness. Of course there are many people how have practical morality. The point of all morality is to be practical and to serve one's survival. But this doesn't make it true. It is a fiction. Not the same stuff. I know that everything is Good. JP doesn't. Nor do you. No, all morality is personal preference. The difference is, I am honest about it, people like JP are not. No two people in the world have the exact same morality. Which clearly tells you that morality is relative. Moral systems around the world and across time vary enormously. There are many commonalities because humans tends to have similar survival needs. Since morality is pure selfishness, people tend to be selfish in similar ways. - - - - - The core problem here is that you fundamentally don't understand relativity. Contemplate what relativity is.

@Need Answers The problem is you still haven't encountered yourself as God dreaming up the world. When you do, it will feel extremely solipsistic to you in a horrifying way. Talking about dreams is all fun and games until you realize you dreamed up your mother. Then you shit your pants and cry. Yes, a video on solipsism is planned. I am not yet ready to talk about it.

No. The difference is that I understand that all morality is invented and relative and selfish whereas JP and conservatives do not. I fully admit and embrace that my morality is groundless. It is purely my personal perference and bias. My morality is not normative nor objective. Not so for conservatives.

I am aware of this. But his couple of mystical experiences were not nearly deep enough.