Leo Gura

Most PUAs drink. And sometimes a lot. I really admire those who go 100% sober, which is one reason I admire Owen. Sure, you can. His advice on leading and handling logistics is solid. I am not disputing John's game. It is solid and practical. I was talking about him shitting on all the other coaches. This is in poor taste and discounts the pioneering work of someone like Owen. Regardless of Owen's lay count he has done pioneering work in this field, as has all of RSD. To dismiss all their work so flippantly as John does is not intellectually integrous. Firstly, he saw me maybe do a couple of approaches at most, from afar. Which says little about my game. I can also say that I have seen him get blown out by girls by pulling them too early and aggressively. Secondly, when he saw me back in 2013, I was a hard case newbie who had 1 year of experience in game. Of course a newbie will be uncalibrated. Even the best coaches in the world will get blown out hard each week by a few girls. I practiced a lot of physical game in Vegas back in 2013, and yeah, very direct physical game produces lots of instant blow outs. But it can also hook like crazy. Some of my most amazing sets came from very direct physical game. People are amazed when they see it hook instantly. It's so on it's shocking. It's an important skill to develop for very loud and crowded clubs.

Once you understand how dumb the average human is, all of life makes sense

Excellent work!

@Gerhard You took to 5-MeO-MALT like a duck to water

There is never a guaranteed path to exceptional success. That's part of the challenge! You have to do it despite everything in the environment telling you you'll fail. Escaping wage slavery is not for people who need guaranteed paths and others to cheer-lead them. Escaping wage slavery is for people who are willing to do the work even everyone around them says it's impossible and that you shouldn't even try. You need massive vision and an irrational belief in yourself. You need to be so confident and adamant that even when you're failing you think you're succeeding. In other words, your inner game is not appropriate for escaping wage slavery. You're hoping for some kind of promises and hand-holding -- but that's too weak of an attitude for creating serious success. I should be here telling you that you'll fail no matter what you do. And you should be here telling me, "No, fuck you Leo! I will succeed no matter what you say. I will make so much money I will use $100 bills to light my cigars."

By definition everyone cannot escape wage slavery. It is not possible at a collective level. But it is possible for you at an individual level. Not everyone can be a millionaire, but you can if you want it bad enough.

Lol. John knows nothing about me or my game. He talks shit about everyone as part of his marketing strategy. It's toxic. His approach to marketing himself is the same as his approach to gaming girls. Like I said before, a low integrity PUA is going to not just treat girls badly, he will treat everyone in a manipulative way, especially his clients and customers. He's gaming you with the same integrity he games girls. I was not known in the community at all because I was a nobody, there was nothing noteworthy about my game, and I never made any claims about my skills or results. This whole dick measuring contest about who has the best game is childish. All that matters is that you are improving your game. You can learn valuable lessons from all the instructors. You can also acquire many toxic ideas and habits if you're not careful. There is nothing more creepy than having your wingmen imprisoned for rape and yourself having rape accusations brought to court. Next to that I am a saint. Remember, I am not a pickup coach and I never was. So don't compare me to those type of guys. I was critical of the pickup community from the day I learned about pickup. Obviously much of it is low consciousness and toxic stuff sourced from deep trauma and lack of spiritual development. Be careful who you learn from. Their integrity, or lack thereof, will rub off on you. Have I done some flashy game? Sure. Have I turned girls off? Of course. That's all part of learning game. Flashy game is not solid game. I explained this in my How To Get Laid videos. But exploring flash is valuable nonetheless. Knowing how to do a bit of flash at the right time is very effective. People also have different styles of game. And much of what is considered flash is also just part of self-amusement and warming up. Sometimes I will say something silly or outrageous just to blow up a set and put myself into a playful mood. Keep in mind that all my game was done sober. Most of John's game was done drunk while he was gaming in Vegas. He says he quit drinking now -- which is great if true -- but that's after 10 years of drunk game. The majority of his supposed lay count is drunk game. I had to build my state from zero each night. So did Owen.

Dude, you have no clue how deep in the hole Owen started out. He was an autistic suicidal hard case. He has come far given his starting point. You take this shit for granted, as if mastering game is easy. Owen's forte is not getting girls, it's leading lazy guys like you. Owen spends most of his time running a business, not in the clubs.

Julian has a very high lay count from what I heard and amazing game. That's why Owen made him his main sidekick.

Cherrypicking good infield is easy. It says nothing about consistency of closing. If you cherrypicked my best sets, I would look like the best in the world. Sure, but that doesn't say much because 99% of guys can't even do an approach, let alone pull and close. All the infield is heavily cherrypicked. A flashy approach is not a close. An hour long set is not a close. And even a pull is not a close.

It's obvious he never had it. You'd have to be a fool to think that Owen gets laid massively.

A bit, not much. I never winged with him, just saw him out at the clubs a lot back in 2013 in Vegas. But I have friends who winged with him and the rumors aren't great. Not getting into that. To be clear, my game was never great. I'm not some pickup instructor and I am not structuring my life to maximize lays. Learning to pull and close consistently is way harder than you imagine. People and girls especially tend to assume it is easy. It's not easy at all unless you are a master.

I always identified more with American culture than Russian culture. Don't let your "home" culture gaslight you. Follow what you like. Culture is all just a construction anyway. You shouldn't take culture seriously. It's a joke invented by chimps.

I don't doubt JA's game skills. I've seen him pull hot girls. But there is more to life than game. Owen never claimed to have great game. It's pretty obvious that Owen's value was never in having the best game but in higher topics.

Very nice!

You should be working on raising your value every day for the rest of your life. Pretty soon you will be in the top 1% of guys and you will be so unique and valuable, no one will be able to compete with you. This is not for girls, this is for you. The girl just gets to feel the glow of your inherent awesomeness. This is not about girls! This is about self-actualization! Ground your confidence in self-actualization and self-realization. Put your nose to the grindstone. Other guys are irrelevant. Actualize yourself.

This is not a matter of trusting Owen. Carefully consider his perspective, running it through your own critical thinking, wisdom, and Tier 2 understanding. Sort the signal from the noise. There is always a lot of signal in Owen's talks.

Owen's teachings are over JA's head. Owen is not teaching you how to get laid, he's teaching something higher. Be careful dismissing Owen so easily. He is a serious intellect despite whatever shortcomings and biases. Owen is one of the few PUAs that thinks deeply about reality. 2 of JA's wings are in prison for 10 years for gang-raping drunk girls in Vegas. JA is so sketchy he was too sketchy to work for RSD in its heyday.

Just excuses your mind invents to not approach. If it's not guards, it will be boyfriends, if not boyfriends, then an endless list of other excuses. Stop believing your lying mind. Nothing remotely illegal in approaching.

@Irina Wolf Sounds like you need to work on developing relaxation skills and letting go skills. See my video: Body Awareness Sedona Method could help you. Body relaxation practices could help you. Meditation could help you. Psychedelics could help you.

Psychedelics

This is absurd. You can easily make DMT and it doesn't matter where it came from.

Tough titty.

Of course. Whereness is imaginary. You cannot apply the notion of whereness to consciousness because consciousness imagines whereness. For the same reason you cannot apply the notion of thingness to consciousness.