Leo Gura

If they had Spiral Dynamics in Hitler's day they would be like: "Well, you know, Stage Blue is important and the system needs change. Hitler's Red warrior energy is good for the boys. And did you see my new Volkswagen? I just love it. So anyway... let's just all be friends."

Spiral Stupidity

The problem is Christianity does not give people the tools to realize God. So they are left living a fantasy.

Here I found some not so good takes from the Integral people on Trump/Musk. They basically think that Trump/Musk might be good for creating change. They have no spine to resist Trump nor do they recognize MAGA as corruption. Their approach is to just go along for the ride and hope everything works out. Just kinda let Trump/MAGA just have their way. There is no recognition of democratic backsliding and serious potential for danger. Their position is like: "Well, I drive a Tesla and it's so cool. So just let Musk do this thing. Might turn out good. The MAGA people didn't like Kamala." Just be friendly to everybody. Tier 2!

How would you know? What does that even mean? To be enlightened without a body.

Orb of Confusion, AKA, religion.

God loves crispy bacon.

The word enlightenment has come to mean weak nonsense in the hands of materialists and such. It is obvious that Martin does not understand God and is not testing for God. Whatever he is testing for, I would be very skeptical of if I were you. Because he is in no position to understand this domain. My claim is not about randos, it's about serious mystics, which are very rare. What randos do is of no concern here. Of course that's true. Materialism, scientism, and capitalism has completely locked down modern minds. This does non contract my claims. Yes it does. Exactly. This is exactly my claim. Ingram has special genetics. Look, I'm done trying to convince you. You figure it out yourself. There is no way to explain human spirituality without genetics. That's my claim. Feel free to test it.

That's exactly what I mean.

That's serious Intelligence! But it's redundant for God to shit on a church since it's already overflowing of its own shit.

This is so cringe. I don't even want this on the forum.

Carl Jung was clearly a genetic freak. You don't get his intuitive intelligence through just reading a bunch of books. Any world-famous historical intellectual is genetically talented. That doesn't mean he's some Buddha super-mystic. That guy does not understand God or mysticism. I give his studies and research very little import. Designing a study to properly measure mysticism requires great care and intelligence, not some standard materialist approach. You can do your own study. Every advanced spiritual person who you meet, ask them about their earliest childhood spiritual experiences. You will see that the vast majority will tell you they had spiritual talents without any training from an early age. Pretty much every professional psychic and occultist is like this. You don't ask the general population or college kids. You ask serious mystics. The general population is talentless and clueless. Spiritual talent is NOT culture, it is raw genetics. It's silly to assume it isn't. How quickly humans forget that they could have been easily born a chimpanzee.

I don't see much difference there. His model implies that Spirit evolves in a very specific rigid linear way. It's almost cartoonish.

My child would either be a horned demon or a floating orb of pure Intelligence

Your PhD-thesis gets an F. Back to the blackboard for you.

"I only bought the most important election ever and used it to personally manipulate government to benefit myself and my rich friends at the expense of everyone else. Why all the hate, guys? I am good gamer. Love me." Musk is so out of touch it's giga level.

You just don't know what a con-artist is. They are a special breed of animal. Until you meet one, it's hard to even imagine such depraved people could exist. Con-artistry has a lot of Red aspects.

By his view, Alex Jones is a Turquoise ascendant master

My father was a con-artist. I know exactly how they think. It's not stage Green.

BECAUSE he is a con-artist! Not because he is a relativist.

1) Probably. Depends on how long and hard you had to work the method. 2) You used a method, so that's not the spontaneous enlightenment that was being discussed above. Some people are just very receptive to a given method. For some people just one weekend of self-inquiry does the trick. This is very rare, and yes, genetic. If you had an enlightenment of any sort that should already put you in the top 1% genetically. Actually we do. Mystical talents run in the family. The daughter of a witch is more likely to be a witch, and not just from training, but in natural witch abilities. Witches beget witches. Bitches beget bitches There is huge evidence. Nearly every highly spiritually advanced teacher will tell you childhood stories of having mystical and spiritual experiences out of the blue with zero effort. This is ridiculously common for them. Spiritual talent is like 99% genetic. It's way worse than anyone knows or says. This does not simplistically mean that the child of gifted parents will be gifted. Attractive people can easily have ugly children. Look at the daughter of Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie. Genetics does not work as simplistically as people assume. Two mystics don't just fuck and create a giga-mystic. They could create a psychopath.

Yes, obviously I want it to look like Green, not something else. Green requires some level of empathy for other perspectives, like the perspectives of minorities and other cultures. Yes, this is a moral development. Not super high, but way above Trump or MAGA. What? No it doesn't. Any psychopath can do this instinctively with no training. Sorry, I just don't buy that theory of Trump or Tate. Sociopathy is being conflated with PM. A bad faith actor will use the tools his environment affords. We are in somewhat of a PM environment, but even that is debatable. I'd say that society is more modern than post-modern. The post-modernity of society and culture has been badly over-exaggerated. Most people believe in objective truth.

I know that won't happen because God wants to keep trolling us as long as possible. God is an Infinite Troll. Trump will outlive us all just to rub lemon juice in our eye.

I think your view is heavily skewed by today's Green position's retroactive view of Marx. Back in Marx's era Green didn't even exist. If you want an objective and factual analysis of this matter, just as your fave AI. Our view of Marx today is colored through the Green lens. So Marx looks Green. Because Orange capitalism won the cultural battle over Marxism. So Marxism had to retreat to Green to stay alive.

I see what you mean. I think there is value in seeing it as memes and also as structures of consciousness. The meme approach is nice in that it feels less linear and pre-desitined. With Wilber's stages they feel like this is the only way a human can evolve with no alternatives -- because this is how consciousness evolve. While memes feel like they could be different because there could be many different cultures and combinations of memes. So I actually feel Wilber's model is more linear and rigid.