Leo Gura

Yes, I had to resort to it because that is what's realistically required to get laid. The idea that you can "just be yourself" and hot women will sleep with you is childish. That's not how it works. It's not so much that I have had to resort to games, it's that I taught myself the games that everyone else was already playing but I wasn't. I'm not distrustful of women. I have a very positive view of women and I have no problem trusting a girl after sex. I just understand the games they play until sex. Gaining confidence is the technique. Haha You frame it as though I use some kind of secret tricks to trick women into bed. That's not what I do. I just understand how to approach, how to flirt, how to be humorous, how to have fun, how to deal with loud and chaotic environments, how to deal with bitchy friends, how to deal with guys stealing my girls, how to lead, how to handle logistics, how not to get used by girls, where to take girls, how to text girls, how to escalate, how to make her feel comfortable with me, how to get her horny, how to deal with her bullshit, and how to give her great sex. These are practical skills that any guys who's serious about women needs to develop regardless of how lovable he is. It doesn't matter how lovable you are if you don't know how to touch a girl without creeping her out. Being lovable and worthy of affection does not get a guy laid any more than it gets a guy a house to live in. Women will not fuck a guy just because he is lovable. You don't know how I perceive relationships. You assume a lot about me. I talk about attraction here, not relationships. I would not distrust my girlfriend. Obviously. That's from your female POV. Yes, there is no need from your POV as a female to close fast when you got 10 dudes orbiting you, wanting your pussy. No, the real reason is because attracting women costs a lot of time and energy for guys, and until sex women are completely flakey, uninvested, disloyal, and unreliable. I don't want to waste my time investing in women who are flakey. I got better things to do. Women don't weaponize sex, they just act so flakey it wastes a lot of time. Dealing with that flakiness is 50% of game. Well, that guy seem kinda weird. I'm not saying what he did was right. There's definitely the possibility of being too pushy or taking advantage of a girl. I'm all about making sure the girl is satisfied with the sex and there is proper foreplay and all that good stuff. I love foreplay. I know guys who take advantage of women in ways like that and much worse. I definitely don't endorse such behavior from men. The bottom line is the girl needs to be satisfied with the sex. That's my rule of thumb. Make it so she doesn't regret sleeping with you. It all boils down to that.

Society is always evolving. What's truly changed is that many guys sit behind a PC all day and don't socialize at all. And yes, this will make it virtually impossible to get laid. I know cause I've been there. You don't need a deep understanding of game. What you really need is just to socialize. Tons of clubbing isn't necessary. It is a man's responsibility to evolve himself along with an evolving society.

That's an additional factor. I'm interested in growth even more than sex.

Not at all. I am 100% straight, but I imagine the woman's orgasm all the time. It's my fave part of sex. That doesn't mean I want a dude fucking me in the ass nor am I ever aroused by naked dudes. The best of sex is the orgasm you give the woman.

You might be gay

If she makes you stiff, where's the problem?

I would prefer sex with no games. I'm not interested in the game, I'm interested in the sex.

Sounds like you got the best of both worlds.

It just means: "Hasn't yet learned how to get laid"

Yes you're bi. If you were straight you would not care about dudes at all.

Well then, don't cry to me about the drama your games create. You play enough games and eventually you'll get out-played.

Lol That's what you get when you try to get laid from your looks alone. Offer a girl more than your looks.

The education around the games women play when it comes to sex is also horrific. How is a guy supposed to know how to escalate? It's not like you ladies can be trusted to be truthful about that. You play games and then act surprised when guys play games to counter your games. Then you deny you play games. So here we are. I would love nothing more than to not have to play games about sex. Yet my hand is forced into it. I would love nothing more than to walk up to a woman and say, "Let's have sex" and her simply saying, "Cool. Let's go." But no, it has to involve a bunch of bullshit.

If a girl gives a hard NO, you stop.

Duh

By the time I am done seducing a girl she is literally begging me "Please fuck me!" I make her say Please again and again. It ain't rape. Then again, I also get girls asking me to rape them. Also not rape. If she's in my bed she wants to be there. So please spare me the rape accusations.

Yes, it seems that way because detachment from outcome is very counter-intuitive and paradoxical. It is a larger point than just dating or girls. In life the best results come when you have a very clear and strong intent to achieve something, but at the same time you're detached from outcome. Yet even though you are detached from outcome you will work like hell to make it happen. And if you should fail, you immediately let it go and move to the next thing. This isn't just the secret to getting girls. It's the secret to running a business and many other pursuits. So you would be well to learn this lesson. Guys shouldn't chase after girls. But once you got a girl in your bed, you should move mountains to close her. She didn't get in that bed to play patty-cakes. If it takes 5 hrs of foreplay to get her to open her legs, that's what it takes. If you want her, you do what is necessary to get her. This is not neediness. This is getting shit done. I gamed from 12am to 10am to get that girl. 10hrs! That's how you get shit done. Apply this attitude everywhere in life and you will see great results.

No, it's leadership and persistence. What I said doesn't contradict that. No, it's simply me being a man and following through on my intent. If my intent is to sleep with someone I will work to make it happen. A few obstacles are not going to stop me. Getting laid is not about ego validation, it's about getting laid.

You are God.

You're doing great. Don't logic with her about sex. Just seduce her and get her horny. She will clearly have sex with you, you just need to seriously seduce her into it with proper physical escalation and old fashioned romance. Took me 2hrs once to get a girl to let me fuck her once I got her into my bed. 2hrs of patiently escalating and slowly seducing her despite her token resistance and coyishness. I had to pull her pants off inch by inch. Every inch took work. 2 fucking hours in my bed till sex. The sun was already up! Finally she said: Go get a condom. This was the hottest girl I ever fucked. She played so many games with me. Girls will play silly games with you. Ignore all that and be persistent. Do not let her games throw you off your course. And if she's on her period, fuck her anyways. Use condoms well. Don't wait around. Lead and make it happen!

I expect many incels are too far gone into toxic ideology to get good with girls. It's a damn shame.

That's a great pic. That's how girls get if you escalate the wrong way, in a creepy way.

Spend 30 days going to nightclubs and opening every girl physical and do rapid physical escalation. Get lots of blowouts. This is just for practice. I have spent months practicing physical openers in loud ass clubs. You literally gently grab girls and pull them into you until you develop a magic touch. It takes a lot of practice to be able to do it without creeping girls out. You learn to get smooth so the girl doesn't bristle. You have to do it with rock solid confidence. If you hesitate it comes off creepy. That confidence comes with massive experience. Practice, practice, practice.

When it comes to physical escalation you must read her face and reaction when you touch her. If she bristles or subtly avoids your touch, then you immediately pull back, and even push her away a bit. Physical escalation should never be something the woman bristles at. You can easily tell this just by observing her face whenever you touch her. Example: When I pulled that Instagram model, I tried to lead her to my car by simply taking and holding her hand. The most mild physical escalation possible. She pulled her hand away and refused to hold hands. I immediately pulled my hand away, played it cool, and just walk with her to my car. Then drove her home. Sometimes a girl will refuse to hold your hand but she will come home with you and let you fuck her. All game must be calibrated to the girl. If she bristles, pull back but lead forward as if nothing happened. It's on until she tells you to go away. Nothing is gained by forcing your touch on a woman who bristles at it. Only increase touch if she likes it or doesn't resist. If she is resisting your game and you keep running the same game, you're making a mistake. Adjust your game to suit her.

I found some bullshit right there